So Who's Not Mad? On Marat/Sade and Nihilism
Abel, Lionel
It was Susan Sontag, I think, who first pointed up the extreme theatricality of Marat/Sade. Susan Sontag was right, Marat/ Sade is theatrical. Is the play dramatic, though? About this there...
...I heard Mr...
...Such indecisiveness of judgment is hardly the sign of a superior sensitiveness to what, after judging, may remain ambiguous...
...But who in philosophy feels he has to philosophize nowadays...
...But what concerns me here is a general point, the difference between the theatrical and the dramatic...
...Why...
...at his red spots...
...but what he says is less interesting than the red spots, much less interesting humanly, much less interesting dramatically...
...Fiedler quoted a contemporary kid as having said to him: "Freud is a fink...
...Again no...
...A play in which the first is substituted for the second will tend to lose whatever value, as it goes on, it had at the start...
...Anyone who has ever had a discussion with another person and noted or suspected at some point that the other was mad, must recall that with that thought or suspicion there was an immediate tendency to break off discussion...
...Call Mailer foolish or a bad novelist—the last he is not—and the young will still listen to him...
...The real Danton, the Danton of history, was pockmarked, but Buechner in the directions for his work never insisted on representing him as such...
...he has no feeling of guilt, no need for expiation...
...In fact, our young philosophers are dulled, I believe, by their aim, which is only to be bright, that is brighter than other philosophers...
...Very probably, we can only learn about what is unresoly ably ambiguous in politics and morals from someone whose moral and political position is clear...
...I recently saw an extremely clever French film in which the goal of the hero—he achieves it--is schizophrenia...
...This is what happens in Marat/Sade...
...In fact, to appreciate fully the effect on the masses of our spiritual dilemma and the receptivity of present-day society to any and all answers, no matter how drastic, one has only to think of a contemporary Dr...
...Fiedler to dissuade them from doing so...
...Why this fellow feeling for the mad...
...The theatrical sums itself up in one moment of time whereas the dramatic links into a culminating action many moments of time...
...When we find Marat on the Martin Beck stage, half of his body is enclosed in a metal bathtub, and the naked flesh of him that we do see is covered with large red spots...
...Of course, none of Weiss's statements about his play need be taken seriously...
...It is the vague recognition, I will not call it knowledge, that no one to be respected can answer these questions affirmatively which emboldens our contemporary youth and makes them so rash and so sad...
...Call the "new left" ahistorical, as Irving Howe did in his essay, and the youny will reply—they already have replied— with violence...
...Now I heard none...
...So even fucking, in other words, is to Mr...
...In any case, Weiss has denied that this is his judgment...
...This judgment might indeed make a play, and a challenging play, though I think the judgment false...
...And if one correlates with a film of this kind, the various expressions of hysteria, irrational violence, homosexual hatred, and sheer nuttiness regularly expressed by our youngest writers, one has to look more deeply into what may have caused or promoted what now amounts to a powerful trend...
...And so it follows, however surprising this may be to some people, that madmen, though theatrical, are fundamentally undramatic and do not properly belong on the stage...
...Directed by Peter Brook...
...The argument for intelligence, that is for philosophy—and by philosophy I mean the taking up of any topic, art, morals or politics, with a sincere intent to be reasonable—was, I once thought, stated forever by Aristotle...
...It is to travel inwards, something very up-to-date, like the up-to-dateness of the cosmonauts who go towards outer space...
...Nor is it enough to argue politically with the youth, as Irving Howe did in his article on the "new left...
...To point up the contrast between the theatrical and the dramatic, one has only to think for a moment of Danton in Buechner's play, Dan ton's Death...
...On the other hand, to believe that the Sage or Man of Wisdom is possible is to necessarily accept philosophy, understood as a means of attaining Wisdom, of realizing the Sage .. . Now on the question of the Sage the only fundamental disagreement is between Plato and Hegel . . . Let us see what their disagreement amounts to...
...these, from his essay as published, may be unclear...
...When there is a real trend, and I think I am talking about a real trend here, one has to look for something deeper to explain it than the views of those who represent it verbally, even with cleverness...
...It is not enough to call names as Philip Rahv did in his review of Norman Mailer's The American Dream...
...Fiedler with recommending the taking of drugs, but I think his whole essay is a confession that he cannot call upon one value in whose name he could oppose it...
...But why the enthusiasm for Marat/Sade...
...For what interests us in the Danton of Buechner are the things Danton says, and were he presented with a pockmarked visage, the force of his lines would limit, make one forget, or even quite destroy, I think, any theatrical value his appearance with a pitted skin might have, just as the feebleness and platitudinousness of Marat's lines in Marat/Sade tend, as that play goes on, to destroy the theatrical effect our first sight of Marat, spotted and in his bathtub, gave...
...Now the effect is electric...
...he denies no reader a taste of the ambiguous...
...When we speak of a coup de theatre we have in mind an event which combines the theatrical with the dramatic, but the coup de thedtre simply cannot take place if some dramatic development has not prepared it...
...I suggest that the theatrical is something very different from the dramatic, and that it is finally dependent on the dramatic...
...Is Freud then really a fink...
...In this piece, he also defended the courage of some tough young kids who beat up a weak old man...
...Brown and to the young enlightened by him a bit too classical, just too upstanding) I want to say something further about Mr...
...The question is not whether Mailer is intelligent, but whether intelligence counts any more...
...Peter Brook...
...As if the best of our critics had not done just that, and ever since the novel came into being...
...As for Mailer, his excesses in thinking were prophesied, I believe, in James Joyce's Ulysses...
...What sustains so peculiar, and to my mind unnatural, a sympathy...
...In that case, why would they not want to wake up from it...
...And the brightest and most intolerable of all philosophers in recent times was Ludwig Wittgenstein, who said against philosophy what no philosopher ever said before him: Philosophy is Hell...
...Is Weiss trying to say that the content of history is sadism...
...Fiedler was not whether this judgment was true or false...
...About this there seems to be some question in even Miss Sontag's mind...
...There is no yielding of one to the other, consequently there is no dramatic play between them...
...There he is, immobile, frail and blotched in his bath, stained by his disease...
...To take drugs, according to him, is to be an adventurer, and in a society in which little adventure is possible...
...During the last moments of Marat/Sade, when the inmates of Charenton threw off all restraints and went berserk, there was an unmistakable feeling of solidarity with them on the part of the audience, so that for some moments I half expected whole groups to get up on stage and add their own versions to the outrageous "twist" Peter Brook designed...
...It will not do, according to Kojisve, to say that society can be somewhat improved...
...For one cannot know what a lunatic is thinking or feeling and the normal impulse is to detach oneself from any consideration of what may go on in his mind...
...Now the play is quite devoid of any intellectual meaning...
...Except that the mark Cain had to bear on his forehead is kept hidden by Genet's hero in his ass...
...Then we have an either/or...
...My own opinion—which has the virtue at least of being settled—is that the play is indeed a "director's play," and owes most of its values of excitement and bravura to the staging and direction of Mr...
...But to get back to Weiss's play...
...Bad or inconclusive thinking is hardly the best, or even a good way, to apprehend ambiguities...
...But real madmen, or persons presented as really mad, do not belong in any theater attended by people with a taste for drama...
...Or take Leslie Fiedler's article, The Mutants, published in the Fall 1965 Partisan Review...
...Fiedler recommends that the young take drugs, but I suggest that no one whose children are engaged in taking drugs should call on Mr...
...Marat/ Sade is far from being the supreme masterpiece of contemporary dramatic literature, but it is scarcely a second-rate play...
...For certainly a play not soundly dramatic can do little more than hold its audience...
...Whatever life Marat/Sade has on the stage comes, in my finding, from the devices of its director, not its author...
...Norman Brown, who has had a very great impact on many of our very young men, says in his now famous book that the insistence of many conventional American males on satisfying women sexually is a form of repression stemming from Freud, and something to be rejected in the name of freedom...
...Some, including Miss Sontag, have found a great theatrical interest in the fact that almost everyone on the stage is mad...
...Once again, I do not want to charge Mr...
...One could not say this were the play truly compelling...
...I suggest that the play appeals generally to those who have violent leftist notions and yet, like the author, think socialism a failure...
...Or he is not a madman...
...Philip Rahv and Irving Howe are perfectly right, of course, but I can't help remembering Hegel's remark about Rome in its decadence...
...But this effect lasts only for a moment, for Marat is going to speak...
...More than fifteen years ago, in Alexandre Kojeve's extraordinary book, An Introduction to the Reading of Hegel, a work which has in fluenced all French thought, including Sartre's and Merleau-Ponty's, I read the following remarkable passage, the full meaning of which I confess not to have understood at the time and which I am here translating rather freely: Philosophy has no sense or reason for being unless it can lead to Wisdom, or at least to the Sage, that is to say, to the Man of Wisdom...
...I have in mind The White Negro, that wacky though powerful essay by Norman Mailer, in which our genial friend and Marxist gone haywire singled out psychopaths as the bearers of future values...
...Not a few French knights in feudal times thought it unmanly to engage in combat when not outnumbered...
...Now there is no coup de thedtre in the utterly theatrical play of Peter Weiss...
...I know I could argue with them about the aesthetics of drama, dispute and even refute their notions of taste, but how am I going to refute their spontaneous identification with the mad figures tumbling convulsively at the play's end across the stage...
...But in Marat/Sade, the Marquis is scarcely beguiling, and Marat never gives any indication of being beguiled...
...Do we today believe in God or in man...
...The film is light, intelligent, ironical, and in that way pays tribute to French rationality, but it is an ironic tribute, for the real appeal of the film is in the figure of its protagonist finally at home in the white walls of an asylum...
...For there are many Raskolnikovs among us and many more Rojacks...
...In answering this question, one can perhaps find some reason for the very great success of Peter Weiss's play...
...And not because the theatrical is contrary to the dramatic or in some sense its opposite...
...By Peter Weiss...
...For why undertake the great labor of reasoning if reason is futile, if wisdom is unrealizable, and if the philosopher is no better than the madman, the criminal, or the addict...
...One can of course, with Plato, deny that Wisdom can be realized...
...According to him, the taking of drugs by the young is their expression, and main expression, of dissatisfaction with a boring and spiritually flat society...
...The frantic, the frenetic, the wild and outrageous are continually being stated as positive values nowadays, in literature, in the films, and on the stage...
...Sartre, as all the young know now, is no problem to Genet...
...Fiedler give that essay as a lecture at a conference at Rutger's University and so I can supply some additional data which may throw light on Mr...
...His voice, which often rises to an orator's shout, somehow erases the strong effect the sight of his body first gave us...
...And as we listen, we tend not to look • The Persecution and Assassination of Marat as Performed by the Inmates of the Asylum at Charenton under the Direction of the Marquis de Sade...
...In that novel the young sailor Querelle, having killed a man, feels that he ought to pay for his crime, and has himself buggered by the local pimp...
...Genet is a problem to Sartre, the philosopher, who devoted a book of over 600 pages to explaining him...
...In public interviews he has on the one hand described himself as a socialist, and on the other hand said that he considers socialism a failure...
...When Bloom, about to fall asleep, plays with variations on the name Sindbad, calling up Ninbad the Nailer, Tinbad the Tailor, and Binbad the Bailer, he suddenly becomes less lethargic, somewhat more caustic, and gets to the name we know and he didn't: our contemporary to him is Mindbad the Mailer...
...Obviously our dilemma was not new in the Russia of the 1860's...
...In fact, the most theatrical thing about this play is its full title, which takes up about a minute's reading time...
...One might add, between the philosopher and the criminal, and between the philosopher and the dope addict...
...But to say that he is not is to discriminate, and the whole question now is whether discrimination is valid...
...Why would he listen to the platitudes of sadism...
...Thus buggered, Querelle becomes a marked man, an encule, and for all eternity...
...Raskolnikov giving a seminar on the Double Meaning of Killing Two Pawnbrokers, or of a Dr...
...And why did the young man Fiedler cited say so...
...Either the ideal of the Sage is never and nowhere realized, and the Philosopher is simply a madman who pretends to be what he knows it is impossible to be...
...But never mind Mindbad...
...Peter Brook...
...Fiedler's essay...
...I must note here that the deed is a variant of one in Jean Genet's Querelle de Brest...
...Highly theatrical at the outset, never becoming dramatic, as it progresses it loses its theatricality...
...Now Mailer's American hero, who kills as if Cain had never existed, appears, after his crime, like an innocent abroad...
...But no drama takes place in Peter Weiss's play...
...Do people tend to think now that history is a madhouse...
...But if God does not exist (contrary to Plato), and if wisdom cannot be realized (contrary to Hegel) , then the madmen, the criminals and dope addicts are as reasonable as the philosophers, and even more reasonable insofar as they do not attempt to philosophize...
...From which I infer that Miss Sontag herself has doubts as to the value of Marat/Sade as drama...
...and then his ideal of Wisdom is or will be realized, and his definition of the Sage or Man of Wisdom is or will be a truth...
...He said: if you want to philosophize, then let us philosophize...
...Read it: The Persecution and Assassination of Marat as Performed by the Inmates of the Asylum at Charenton under the Direction of the Marquis de Sade...
...And by "we" I mean the masses, I mean the many, the millions...
...Can one say to him that society can be perfected...
...The author has said that the center of his play is an argument...
...A moment of madness, yes, particularly as expressed by someone whom we have seen as sane before, can have dramatic interest, and of course a sane man pretending madness is interesting...
...When Philip Rahv attacked the book insofar as its hero is without any kind of conscience, his objection was met with derision, as if it were absurd to judge a fictional character morally...
...Susan Sontag was right, Marat/ Sade is theatrical...
...Fiedler's purposes...
...Can one say to him that God exists...
...In his essay, and also in his lecture, Mr...
...At Rutgers Mr...
...Here, I think, we have to turn aside from the aesthetics of drama and look to the ideological motives of the play...
...Now what interested Mr...
...Then can one say that the philosopher is better than the drug addict...
...The first part was often tedious, and the second part a repetition of what is boring in the first...
...What Dostoevsky's work proved, to those, of course, who know how to read him, is that one can choose finally—Dostoevsky chose Christ as against science and socialism—and yet acknowledge with full awareness all that is valid in what one rejects...
...The answer to this is not hard to find...
...The philosophers were right, Hegel said, but the people were right not to listen to them...
...However, the interest in madness presently expressed, and by a good many talented and intelligent people, may go far beyond the need to conciliate political leftism with despair of socialism...
...So there was a feeling in the theater for leftism plus madness, and I think this feeling is expressed in the play itself, whose two chief protagonists have the names Marat and Sade...
...Rojack lecturing at an honored university on Why It Is Not Wrong to Kill One's Wife...
...Fiedler said in so many words, though I quote from memory—but there is a transcript of the discussion which may be checked—: "I myself have become as tired of the rationalism of Freud as of Marx...
...He claims, also, to side with the platitudinous opinions uttered by Marat...
...Now there was a time when courage was understood very differently...
...Yet I must admit that the audience at the Martin Beck Theater does not reason as I do, and does not feel as I do...
...And how was Mailer's novel understood...
...In that response there was a clearly articulated sympathy for madness...
...Marat, totally unresponsive, declaims, in his turn, the political platitudes to which he remains committed...
...When she discussed the work in her Partisan Review article (Spring 1965) , the word "dramatic," scarcely used in her text, came up in this sentence...
...It is my assumption that the depth of the contemporary situation is there and present whenever the least conscious members of the audience at Marat/Sade respond to that work as they do and empathize with its moments of madness...
...Now, the final deliverance of this epoch is that God does not exist and that human life cannot ever be perfected and hence that the madman, the criminal, and the dope addict are not inferior to the philosopher...
...The idea that Sade might put on a play to be performed by the inmates of a lunatic asylum, and that in this play he and Marat might be the leading characters, is certainly a fascinating one suggesting a real drama...
...Certainly it would be unfair to confront Weiss's play with masterpieces like Dostoevsky's...
...What interested him was that a kid should say this, and I submit that if you look at Mr...
...In madness, one can combine such ideas...
...That is, philosophy is a reasonable pursuit...
...The point of view expressed here, and which is so pertinent, in my opinion, to our contemporary problems, may be summed up as follows: either God exists and perfection on earth is not required, or God does not exist and human life can be perfected...
...Or, to cite again Joyce's much-quoted phrase, a nightmare...
...To me, Marat/Sade was certainly bearable, but little more than that, except for a few moments...
...I also have in mind Mailer's recent novel, The American Dream, in which the protagonist, Rojack, kills his wife and then immediately afterwards buggers their maid...
...Nevertheless, the art of the Russian novelist did settle one question (there are some questions that have been settled) now being called upon by the partisans of Marat/Sade, notably its director, Mr...
...Let me go back to the frenetic response of certain members of the audience to the final scene of Marat/Sale...
...No reader can be in doubt of Dostoevsky's judgment...
...What is new, though, is the impact on a mass society of the issue of belief which Dostoevsky raised...
...Or better than the criminal or the madman...
...That is why it is so difficult to argue with a young student against taking drugs, not to speak of dissuading him from doing so...
...It was Susan Sontag, I think, who first pointed up the extreme theatricality of Marat/Sade...
...So Querelle does not entirely escape the mark of Cain...
...For in any true argument there is always a moment of wavering on the part of the one or the other...
...But to deny the existence of wisdom realized, either in God, as with Plato, or in man, as with Hegel, means, according to Kojeve, to say that the philosopher is a madman—in other words, that there is no difference between the madman and the philosopher...
...and if you don't want to philosophize, you still have to philosophize...
...His is a theatrical presence, not a dramatic one...
...Sade tries to convert Marat, who does not listen to him...
...We want to hear what he says...
...He asserts, "Everything irrational and absurd is foreign to me...
...I will not go so far as to say that Mr...
...I am inclined to think that this reveals in those who take such a view an ideological interest in the mad rather than an aesthetic or even psychologically normal response to madness...
...Fiedler's article you will see that he is inclined to accept the kid's judgment...
...Say that Norman Mailer is no Dostoevsky, who's going to say he is...
...Martin Beck Theater, New York...
...I must also point out, that, when any strikingly leftist remark was made on the stage, the very same members of the audience who solidarized themselves with the stage's madmen again came to life with clapping and cheers...
...Once again, what can be understood to lie behind the not always clear inclination of the contemporary youth for all forms of the irrational...
...the devices of a director can merely make a play bearable...
Vol. 13 • March 1966 • No. 2
