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Correspondence Gospel, oral & written Kansas City,Mo. To the Editors: In a flippantly titled review of The Oral and the Written Gospel by Werner H. Kelber, ("Oral Surgery," Oct. 21), Father...
...The most recent to appear, in fact it is not yet published as I write, is Jaroslav Pelikan, Reformation of Church and Dogma (University of Chicago Press, $27.50, 488 pp...
...When Father Brown says, "I believe that Kelber presses this too dialectically", I am inclined to disagree, but I know what he means...
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...The options for expression in a primary oral culture are patterned...
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...This is Volume 4 in Pelikan's The Christian Tradition, a series for which they must have coined words like "magisterial...
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...Drawing on the work of Albert B. Lord, Ong, and others, he notes that primary oral people think and express themselves in patterned ways, and, especially in chapter two, he shows that certain oral patterns of composition can be discerned in the Gospel of Mark...
...Echoes of Eco New York, ~. Y. To the Editors: John Ahem overstates the case, in his enjoyable insider's tour of Umberto Eco's unlikely bestseller, The Name of the Rose (Nov...
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...Now, Father Brown says, "it is surely true that writing narrows the more fluid options of speech...
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...I do not think that he has given enough weight to the modifying influence of the tradition of written Scriptures in Israel and to fixed apostolic traditions...
...But i am moved to wonder whether his letter means that he is content intellectually or religiously with Keiber's portrayal of Mark as a polemic against the reputation of some of the best known disciples of Jesus...
...Kelber suggests that Mark actually attained a deeper understanding of the Gospel by writing it...
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...So did everyone else...
...On the one hand, he claims that the Gospels are the product of the oral mentality...
...Their findings raise problems for those who use simple secularization theories...
...If anything, Kelber overestimates the potential of the written Gospel to protect hearers from this possibility, and so Father Brown's statement baffles me...
...Is it cricket on this one, since I contributed all of two pages to it...
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...This is good, for the power of spoken words can engender misleading impressions, especially in an oral culture...
...Yet they've spread their stakes far, and Catholic traditions receive fair treatment...
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...But Kelber is clearly drawing on the work of Eric A. Havelock and Walter J. trig, and whatthey and he mean to call attention to is an entire mentality, a mentality which differs from the literate mentality as radically as perceptual thought differs from conceptual thought...
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...Earliest to appear is last February's The First Urban Christians by Wayne A. Meeks (Yale University Press, $19.95, 299 pp...
...To support his analysis of the pre-Marcan situation as primarily oral, Kelber made highly dubious appeal to rural situation, wandering prophets, and analogies in the apocryphal gospels...
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...I would argue for greater continuity between the pre-Marcan oral situation and that produced by the written Gospel, whence my statement about accountability...
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...I cannot accept Father Farrell's appeal to the difference between illusion and reality...
...When the written Gospel was read aloud to primary oral people, it presumably became subject again to possible enthusiasm and enchantment...
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...I had no responsibility for the title of the review which Farrell deems flippant...
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...Even in writing, Mark followed oral options...
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...Why, then, does he accuse Eco of patronizing his narrator, of didactic heavy-handedness, even of " e l i t i s m " (that chestnut, again...
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...That makes three books in print and two to come: not justice, perhaps, but hardly a symptom of neglect in this country, either...
...Kelber's central argument is two-fold...
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...This statement suggests to me that he has missed Kelber's point...
...Of course I was disappointed -- it was not there...
...In other words, the Gospel is a transcription of oral thought...
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...In the meantime, they are doing the best they can for their author...
...Whether or not writing narrowed those options is not the issue...
...If so, then let me be flippant by quoting a reaction associated with a more famous Brown: "Good grief...
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...He is saying that Mark in effect moved from an enchantment with the power and sound of the words to a grasp of their real or full meaning by writing the Gospel...
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...Never elsewhere have I learned so much so quickly about the early Christians...
...On the other hand, Kelber argues that the written Gospel is somewhat different in orientation from the oral Gospel as Mark experienced the latter at the time...
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...Kirkridge Gathering (Continued from page 100) Perhaps Ahem finds Eco too good for the likes of the novel's quarter million readers, on whom the church Latin is largely wasted...
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...21), Father Raymond E. Brown makes several statements that suggest that he does not understand the central argument of Kelber's book...
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...Indiana University Press has published two of Eco's studies in semiotics, with another on the way...
...again I have always only encountered it . . . . . . . . . . . . . Publication in some dark corner of labyrinthine Catholic moral meandering about laws and mores in the service of putting a human face on anti-human thoughts, words, actions...
...I can assure Ahem, and the readers of Commonweal, that the three presses that have published Eco's other books would be grateful to pick up a small portion of that readership for his scholarly studies...
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...Meeks slights theology, but he says he does, so that's fair...
...In reviewing Kelber, I stated that he had drawn on the important work of Ong, but I do not think that such an analysis of oral culture can be applied to the Christian situation before Mark without more adaptation than Kelber made...
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...Finally, (and lest you think I am on the take with Eerdmans, who published 50 percent of my choices,) let me point to Theodore Caplow, Howard M. Bahr, and Bruce A. Chadwick, All Faithful People: Change and Continuity in Middletown's Religion (University of Minnesota, $19.50,378 pp...
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...However, I do not know what he means by his next statement: "He underestima~ es the accountability of the written Gosp el read to its first, intended audience...
...Father Brown refers to "the social context inherent in oral communication where speakers addressed audiences" and to "preaching adapted to the needs of audiences...
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...There are other aspects of Professor Ahern's review that I find puzzling...
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...The issue is related to the difference between illusion and reality -- or more precisely, the difference between talking enthusiastically about living in the Kingdom and actually fully living in the Kingdom...
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...Specifically the oral sense of life (presence) is absent from the written word...
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