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...It is in this latter spirit th~tt I have raised my questions...
...Tracy, reluctant to debate, seemed to say thatCatholic theologians do differ with one,another, and that whatever they find--or do not find out--about the Jesus of "history" it has no necessary effect on their Christ of faith...
...Since we have been some considerable time coming to this impasse andit appears will be sometime working it out, it may be that one is looking more for a greater illumination of the issues at present than a solution...
...by forcing one theological method, one kind of ecclesiastical self-understanding upon a living and evolving organism which draws its strength precisely from the multiplicity of God-in-self and self-in-God revelation and casts its rationallyintuitive insights in analogical language...
...The revelation (tradition, symbols, stories) is not the hypothesis...
...But whose experience are we talking about...
...We are being asked to " t r u s t " the theological methodologies to correct, reform, and reinterpret the tradition, the church and the Magisterium...
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...With regard to the first, the church has never accepted the proposition that the tradition, the Magisterium, or the church herself ar e obliged to submit to the methods of theologians...
...I like Hans Ki~ng, both in the book Sheehan reviewed (Eternal Life...
...Must reading for those exploring the frontiers of contemporary theology...
...The second of these points seems, on its own merits, sufficient to refute Sheehan, until one reads further: "What is new in modern Catholic theology is a greater recognition that the tradition which is fundamentally trusted as the mediator of this faith is also, like all traditions, ambiguous and thereby in constant need of correction and self-reform" (428...
...But Sheehan raised a valid issue for discussion that goes beyond a concern for Catholics...
...Examples of this Polish reverse-play: the Poland of 1772 comprised such a heterogeneous conglomeration of territories that less than half its population was ethnically Polish...
...I think it is especially important for any advocacy stance not to rely primarily upon the uniqueness or righteousness of the experience underlying its advocacy, but to engage in discourse, and to take into account the criticisms brought against it, FRANCIS SCHOSSLER FIORENZA Class act South Bend, Ind...
...He offers no detailed social analysis of Peruvian society nor of any other Latin American society...
...The analogy which Greeley employs, comparing Catholic symbols and stories to scientific hypotheses, reveals the flaw in his thinking...
...The faith may not die if the biblical base is eroded, but it needs more of a foundation than contemporary theology, either Catholic ui riotestant is developing...
...Greeley would apparently have us believe that the uniqueness of Catholicism liesin its ability to spin a better story than anyone else...
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...And, in a fallen world (supposing, of course, that the world is historically and concretely fallen), how reliable is experience...
...Nor has Guti~rrez taken over "class struggle" in the Marxist sense of the word...
...To the Editors: This is to urge you to continue an interest in dialogue with Thomas Sheehan and his argument [August 10] that Catholic theologians are posing problems for the faith...
...He exposes the biblical sources of liberation theology.., highly recommended...
...Such a dismantling of Catholicism by Catholic theologians needs to be stated clearly, if only because it seems notto be understood at all by either David Tracy or Andrew Greeley...
...They were proposed a long time ago, prior to Gunder Frank, by the Canadian political scientist Harold Innis, a liberal with no sympathy for left-wing politics, who accounted for the historical reality of Canadian society in terms of its economi.c dependencies on the colonial-powers...
...Furthermore, we are forced, as Tracy says, to look outside the tradition for sources which can be brought to bear on correcting or reforming it...
...14.95 Paperback THE IDOLS OF DEATH AND THE GOD OF LIFE A Theology by PABLO RICHARD, et aI "Liberation theology is no fad but a revolution in the very terms of theological work...
...He must know that faith operates in situations where, in the nature of the case, one never gets all the data in...
...His books include Language, Logic, and God, recently reissued by the University of Chicago Press...
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...Garvey and'similar apostles of sanity, we may hopefully have the courage to reclaim the devotional practices that will allow our faith to survive and flourish in these difficult times...
...To raise questions and to tender criticisms can appear to support the institutional violence against liberation theologians rather than to dialogue with them to develop, to modify, and to defend their positions in the public forum...
...There are a host of methodologies which the theologian can tap in interpreting "the various authorities in church and tradition" and in reinterpreting the tradition itself (429...
...With regard to the second, the Magisterium has traditioaally and formally held that the task of interpreting the tradition resides solely with the Magisterium and is not shared with the theological academy...
...Guti~rrez abstracts from the debate among the theorists...
...p. 527, Mitro, Ta Nea, Greece...
...Whether or not the story speaks to experience is what really matters...
...I have become increasingly uncomfortable with the staged religious experience that is artfully designed to produce a "spiritual experience...
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...It was very true that when Poland was weak and its neighbors strong (as at the end of the eighteenth century, and in 1939) the latter partitioned its territory...
...According to some news reports, Ratzinger sought not only to raise questions, but also to use institutional and coercive force against several theologians by removing them from teaching positions...
...But if the New Testament gets eviscerated from any historical ground for the faith, the tradition must look for some other on which to validate itself...
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...He shakes off the christological dust of centuries so that we can hear the words that Jesus spoke...
...If professors Tracy and Greeley (despite the latter's modest disclaimer) are examples of the maligned "liberal consensus," more power to them...
...Nevertheless, there are some differences...
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...Tracy's response seems to consist of two parts...
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...We find it in Puebla's Final Document...
...John Garvey's "Religion and Reflex" [June 1] succinctly and beautifully presented an issue that has been nagging at me for many years...
...There is nothing in it to revive a faith or convert a skeptic...
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...From a different perspective, Harvey Cox makes a similar point in Religion in the Secular City...
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...That question is distinct from the preferential option for the poor...
...He makes use of dependency theory only in a generalized way...
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...In any case, Sheehan was not frivolous...
...And Greeley, after insisting that faith is not a scientific matter, unaccountably kept opting for a scientific mode of justifying faith--as an option that takes care of more of the data...
...Apart from the sacramental worship of the church, what "experience" can we trust...
...BILL McTAGGART The Mussdsm question Toronto, Canada To the Editors: Please, allow me to disagree with the opinion my dear friend Francis Schiissler Fiorenza expressed in his article, "Guti~rrez and Ratzinger" [June 15...
...Polish nationalists were never content with the legitimate Polish ethnic area, but always made " h i s t o r i c " claims to huge chunks of ethnically non-Polish land, on the east, west, and north...
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...We find it in the Medellin Conclusions, especially in the section entitled "Peace...
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...That is most unfortunate, For instead of using his office to teach and to raise questions, he is resorting to institutional power...
...I raise this issue not to deny the existence of relations of dependency, but to emphasize that autonomy is much more than the overcoming of relations of dependency, and that the task of liberation theology is consequently much more complex...
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...That ignores Sheehan's point ~bout circularity which will not permit such an easy defense of faith...
...Wilson has shouldered his task well...
...To reduce the Christian revelation to a model, subject to "the criteria of religious model fitting" (433) is to dehis(Continued on page 543) Classified I RATES: 70r a word, one time...
...The issue simply is that in pursuing fully modern biblical scholarship, Catholic theologians--like Protestants earlier--have eroded radically one of the primary grounds for faith: the Bible, and particularly the New Testament...
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...Francis, forgive me, but this is an awful exaggeration...
...The historical accuracy of the story is, according to Greeley, beside the point (432...
...The dismal nationality conflicts in east-central Europe witnessed mistakes, injustices, crimes, and much that can only be called childish stupidity on all sides...
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...p. 519 & p. 520, Valetry...
...He introduced the vocabulary of "hinterland" and "metropolis," and shows in detail how the various regions of Canada as hinterland were effected by their dependency on the economic and political power of the metropolis, first Great Britain, and later the United States...
...Founded to ransom slaves, our small community of men have grounded our lives and our _9 work of liberation in fraternity, prayer, and the Bible for over 800 years...
...If Catholic tradition is "Like all traditions," i.e., "ambiguous" and in need of correction and reform, then we are able to trust it only to the degree to which we are able to trust any other tradition...
...He did not need European neoMarxists to tell him that a theory which made the proletariat the principal agent of social change did not fit into Latin America where the great masses constitute a subproletariat, Marx's "Lurepen," and where the industrial workers, a relatively small sector, are divided in their loyalties...
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...There is only one sure way, I suspect, to kill offCatholicism once and for all: by confusing the models of science and religion...
...He prevailed against two, and has allegedly sought the same fate for Gutitrrez...
...Liberation theologians are threatened by death squads or by expulsion from their homeland...
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...To argue that others, liberals, neo-Marxists, and even churchmen, have pointed to the negative relations of dependency does not respond to the crucial issue: whether it would be necessary for liberation theology to take into account criticisms of the theory of dependency as an adequate theoretical explanation...
...I am not a Catholic...
...What follows from this for Guti~rrez is the need for self-reliant development...
...First, the so-called liberal consensus does not agree, as Sheehan supposes, on what method(s) theologians ought to employ...
...To the Editors: Jerzy Krzyzanowski's review of Czeslaw Milosz's The History of Polish Literature [August 10] repeats the standard Polish accusation about "Poland's geographical location between Germany and R u s s i a . . . whose aggressive appetites spelt doom for Poland...
...That, at least, is what Catholicism has traditionally understood to be the case...
...But there are others, Tracy hastens to add...
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...Starting in the '60s, we allowed ourselves to be bullied by the "'relevant and meaningful" crowd, but 1 submit that many of us became closet conservatives and practiced our devotions privately...
...Two problems are immediately apparent...
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...I concur with Baum's imp mant points that Gutitrrez's use of Marxist social analysis is very generic and is certainly subservient to his Christian ideals, for it transforms such analyses...
...Catholic tradition does not enjoy a unique trustworthiness...
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...This theory of preferential solidarity is also found in the documents of Medellin and l~ebla...
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...Gutidrrez's use of "class struggle," if one wants to use this term, is not Marxist at all...
...Sheehan was not arguing for any return to a fundamentalism, or for Catholic theologians to go back into any previous state of inhibited scholarship...
...Fiorenza claims that Gutidrrez has "taken over several key concepts of Marxist analysis" and that he has not taken into account "the neo-Marxist critique of orthodox Marxism...
...I contend that Gutitrrez's social analysis would become much more nuanced if he would take into account two very specific neo-Marxist critiques of traditional Marxism: Bloch's retrieval of the bourgeois culture, in particular, the significance of rights language, and Habermas's reconstruction of the traditional Marxist conception of historical development...
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...These are issues of moment that ask for thoughful reflections, not simplistic defensiveness or parochial apologetics...
...I have argued elsewhere that his theological effort was so successful that the key concepts of his theology of liberation have been received in the church's official teaching in Latin America--and in Canada...
...It was no less true that when Poland was strong and its neighbors weak, the process was reversed...
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...When this theory was first proposed by Gunder Frank, as Francis knows well, it was in opposition to orthodox Marxism...
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...GREGORY BAUM The author r e p l i e s Gregory Baum letter emphasizes points on which I betleve we are in basic agreement, despite differences in detail...
...Such actions place those of tts sympathetic to liberation theology in a difficult situation...
...To the Editors: The question posed by Thomas Sheehan [August 10] with regard to contemporary Catholic theology is not that of whether Catholicism has been dismantled by the historico-critical method, but that of whether Catholicism is being dismantled by method per se...
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...Milosz, has sympathized with the problems of contemporary Catholic theologians in adjusting across a whoel broad spectrum of scientific scholarship and what it has wrought on culture, but feels that the response has been weak and one of retreat, in the language of socialists of 100 years ago, to a position of Opposing materialism only by a leap to some future through political action...
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...It is, on the contrary, strikingly exemplified in both of their responses to Sheehan...
...It locates the ultimate questions not in meaning but survival: not feeling justified bdt in doing justice...
...He uses dependency theory only to show that dependency has gravely harmed society economically, culturally, psychologically, and ultimately spiritually...
...He thinks the church should be behind people's self-reliant development because it affects not only their economic well-being but also their cultural, psychological, and spiritual reality...
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...III III Correspondence IIIIIIIIIIIIH IIIIII I III (Continued from page 514) which acknowledges the workers and, in the third world the poor, as the dynamic element of modem society and hence calls for "the solidarity of workers and with workers" and, in the same paragraph, for "the solidarity of the poor and with the poor...
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...I have praised Gutitrrez's theology for its anti-Marxism since it displays the antiideological nature of Christianity...
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