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I I Correspondence Tribute to struggle Cambridge, Mass. To the Editors: Joseph P. Fitzpatrick's memorial for Dorothy Dohen ["A Lay Apostle," June 1] reminded me of the great value of her book,...
...It is precisely this approach which leads Mar- tin to espouse the submission of women to men as a divine ordinance, rather than that which it is --an ideological (though unconscious) means of control...
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...Her faith led her to be critical even of her allies, priests and theologians committed to liberation theology, who...
...Reymont, another Polish Nobel Prize winner in 1924, he covers them in a short, two- ages-long space, but to personalities who attract his imagfnatinn, like an eighteenth century adventurer, Potocki, he gives twice as much space...
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...My fond hope is that it will be an ill-suited comparison because of a change in direc- tion of certain elements of the move-ment...
...and he comments warmly about facts, works, and writers who come close to his heart...
...As o1' Casey Stengel used to say, he could look it up...
...rural history, to comprehend the impor- tance of"the Polish Pope," John Paul II, and to appreciate the significance of the "Solidarity" movement which has re- suited in a Nobel Peace Prize given to its leader, Lech Walesa in 1983...
...Cere's third criticism, "sociolog- ical realism aside," is that "Martin's concept of dialogue as evangelical strat- egy is more consistent with the thrust of Vatican II" than that proposed by me...
...High culture, popular culture, and exhibitionist example repeat the iterated message that there is no distinction between erotic sensibility and Commonweal welcomes letters on subjects treated in its pages...
...there are various positions found concurrently in the Vatican II documents, including one which supports my view of dialogue...
...Cere objects to my use of "fundamentalism" as a term which would apply to Martin, averring that by "any academic standard Martin cannot be classified in the tradition of fundamen- talism...
...It underlines once more the Reader's Digest type of research that forms the basis for most of our assessments of the historical and theological significance of the charis- rrmtic renewal...
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...Third, Hinojosa's critique of Martin's assessment of church-world dialogue lacks the sociological realism that serves as the backdrop for Martin's Comments: (1) meaningful dialogue cannot take place when a community is deeply insec- ure in its own self-identity...
...With a new epilogue covering the 1960s and 1970s, it is there- fore the most up-to-date study on the subject, and chances are it will maintain its leading position for many years to come...
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...She writes that one of the challenges of this task is to he "tolerant while mainraining your standards...
...After all, not only a poet but a scholar, too, is entitled to his own, sub- jective interpretations of a literary history as long as he renders its letter and spirit...
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...THE EDITORS Tolerant pluralism Montreal, Canada To the Editors: Juan-Lorenzo Hinojosa's biting critique of Ralph Martin's analysis of the contemporary crisis in the church ["Are charismatics off course...
...Well, Milosz is also a scholar whose history of Polish literature has been recently reissued in a new edi- tion, some fifteen years after it was origi- nally published...
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...contrast between 'nominal Christian' and 'true Christian' is a distinction basic to all fun- damentalist thought and action" (p...
...he argues with and challenges what he does not like...
...As to whether or not the pluralism I ad- vocate pushes for a via media, I would demur...
...I11 Commonweal's May 18 edition, works by Milan Kundera, Alfred Dbblin, Jose Donoso, Karl Rahner are reviewed with no mention of their translators, not even in their introductory headings...
...Finally, Hinojosa's association of the charismatic renewal with Montanism is a very poorly chosen slur...
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...Some critics, par- ticularly in Poland, thus find his study opinionated and uneven but this is hardly the case...
...Of course, choosing responsibility makes parents responsible (answerable, account-able) -- a fact which leads not to burdens or repression, but to greater freedom in Poetry across a turbulent history making their own decisions by their own standards...
...Dis- cerement such as hers helped prepare Americans for the bishops' pastoral letter on nuclear war, and for making needed distinctions between the search for faith and the often uncivil religions of nationalism...
...Martin's concept of dialogue as evangel- ical strategy is more consistent with the thrust of Vatican II documents than that proposed by Hinojosa...
...True to her own advice, she has written a noble book which, like a good parent, provides the confidence of sure expectations and the safety of loving limits...
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...Is this a characteristic of Martin's thought...
...Dorothy Dohen had something to say to the young women who today are often ashamed of their virginity, some of whom take refuge in a version of defensive lesbianism, dis-covering no legitimate way that they can defend themselves against the importun- ing of aggressive (and also vulnerable) men...
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...It was written at a time of widespread super-nationalism espoused by American Catholics eager to establish their American nativism...
...Cere to the article (already cited in my review) by Schineller titled "Christ and Church: A Spectrum of Views" in Why the Church...
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...Cere to the well-known Biblical scholar James Barr's work titled Fundamentalism...
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...Rim Kramer suggsts that parenthood is not only a noble, but an enobling, task...
...Martin stands very firmly within the Catholic theologi- cal tradition in his appreciation of the significance of dogmatic truth for intel- lectual, moral, and spiritual develop- ment...
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...As a final word, I would like to say quite unequivocally that great numbers of charismatics and whole segments of the movement are not influenced by the mentality against which I protest...
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...First, does Martin's contribution really militate against true plurality...
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...He writes about all that literature lucidly, with involvement and some-times even passion...
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...I main- tained in the review and continue to maintain, that Martin's position is out- side the mainstream of Roman Catholic theological thought, including that of Karl Rahner whom Martin seems to con- sider as something of a liberal...
...But his study represents more than just a textbook for students of Polish litera- ture at American colleges and univer- sities...
...To the Editors: Joseph P. Fitzpatrick's memorial for Dorothy Dohen ["A Lay Apostle," June 1] reminded me of the great value of her book, Nationalism and American Catholicism...
...Hinojosa seems to advocate a repressive form of pluralism that mili- tates against true pluralism insofar as it is intolerant of the so-called "extremes" and constantly pushes for a via media...
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...The image of Poland emerging from the pages of his book is faithful to that coun- try's turbulent history with her age of glory during the Renaissance period and her tragic downfall at the end of the eighteenth century, her heroic struggles for freedom spirited by the Romantic poets, and her stubborn resistance against the Nazis and the Communists ever since the beginning of World War II...
...The existence of an articulate voice deeply committed to an important tradition of Christian dogma would seem to enhance rather than impoverish real pluralism...
...Founded to ransom slaves, our small community of men have grounded our lives and our work of liberation in fraternity, prayer, and the Bible for over 800 years...
...Indeed it isl See Martin's A Crisis of Truth, p. 208, and his Unless the Lord Builds the House...
...2) dialogue is primarily a mode of communication (and persuasion) rather than a vehicle for radical ecclesial self-transformation...
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...To the Editors: I wonder why a publication of Commonwears standards brings re-views of translated books without men- tioning the translator or the quality of the translation without even --in some in- sta~aces --informing the reader that what he gets is not the original wording...
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...HEDWIG RAPPOLT The editors reply Nostra culpa.We will begin our re- formed life by indicating the translators of the books our reader mentions: Milan Kundera, The Book of Laughter and Forgetting, translated by Michael H. Heim...
...Milosz does not restrict its scope to a dry enumeration of facts, dates, and authors...
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...She was at once a radical, a reformer, and a conserver of going concerns until something better could he put in their place...
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...All parents have to do (no small trick, but it gets easier with practice) is to decide what's important by following their intuition, instinct, and common sense, which have" worked since history began whenever affection was guided by individual life experience...
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...By any objective academic standards Martin cannot be classified in the tradi- tion of fundamentalism...
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...Milosz's poetic personality shines on the pages of his study...
...Cere to my article, among others on the topic, in Catholic Charismatic, Vol...
...For the American reader he provides his own poetic translations of poems ranging from the Middle Ages to the most contemporary times, including his own poetry which has won him the Nobel Prize for Literature in 1980...
...Correspondence (Continued from page 418) Christian truth (his so-called "lust for certainty") is over-argued...
...Cere refers to in his critique, but I do know many excellent theologians in the movement who have written historical and theological treatments, among whom are Donald Gelpi, S.J., Rend Laurentin and Kilian McDonnell, O.S.B...
...Fourthly, Hinojosa uses the term "fundamentalism" much too loosely...
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...With the loss of vocations and the shrinking of the teaching Orders, few students at any age become aware that one can lead a fulfilled life with a commitment to virginity...
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...But no one who has read the sources on the Montanist movement in Pierre de Labriolle's Les sources de l' histoire du montanisme and who knows the contemporary charismatic movement can fail to see clear similarities...
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