Correspondence
Correspondence Vacation poverty Toledo, Ohio To the Editors: Pat Ryan Greene's terse report on what poverty in Latin America really looks like ["My Summer Vacation," Oct. 8] was profoundly...
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...Greene's world...
...PATRICIA M. LEIPER Commonweal welcomes letters on subjects treated in its pages...
...Stereotyping certain sensitivities as "feminine" and confusing them with the prevailing image of a limp-wristed homosexuality obfuscates our slippery grasp on the reality of constitutive homosexuality, and disserves the promise of the feminine- in both men and women-for gentling this violent planet back from the abyss...
...From this perspective, the Council was, in effect, a referendum on the previous century's attitude towards the modern world, and, of course, the referendum did not turn out well for its defenders...
...Perhaps also we need to learn some patience (not to mention charity) and not expect that in twenty years-and let us not forget what a twenty years these have been also and especially outside the church-we have yet seen our way clear, either practically or conceptually...
...To the Editors: Regarding the letter by Mr...
...It is trite to say that an experience such as she describes kindles indignation, not illumination...
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...Perhaps our public schools will incorporate into their natural science classes an intense two-week study and discussion of the philosophy of science so that creationism may be legitimately examined...
...A nineteenth-century English historian enunciated a fundamental rule of political wisdom when he ascribed the success of English government (not British, please note) to "a felicitous combination of liberal aspiration and conservative instinct...
...Since the reign of Gregory XVI (whose Mirari vos, by the way, just had its largely uncelebrated 150th anniversary), official church policy, with only occasional exceptions, had sought to construct for Catholics an alternate world to inhabit, the societas perfecta called "Roman Catholicism," autonomous in its distinctive life and institutional frame and immunized from contamination by a modern world believed to be irretrievably opposed to Catholic principles...
...Creationists are admirable and wellintentioned...
...8] was profoundly moving...
...To the, Editors: I was one of those present with Father Imbelli in St...
...ROBERT KIRTLAND Creationism in class Arlington Heights, 111...
...bound to be misunderstood by anyone-whether "progressive" or "conservative" -who looks at it only from the standpoint of 1982 and of the transformations of the last twenty years...
...rather, it belongs in history, literature, religion and philosophy of science classes...
...Nor is it biblical...
...they seek to demonstrate that there is meaning and purpose in the universe and that there is something sacred about man and the world in which we live...
...22] have a legitimate point of view, but it should not be taught in natural science classes...
...It could be that the Holy Spirit thinks that this is exactly the right time to reconsider our traditions and get with it on the job of spreading the Good News...
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...multinational corporations are responsible...
...Clearly, nothing of equal strength and coherence has taken its place and perhaps never can...
...Many justly indignant people, in a sort of perverse anthropomorphism, must personify the palpable evil they witness: governments, here and there, are responsible...
...It is far less clear that changing personnel, in state, church, or business, will bring this about, even if many of these individuals seem to have inured themselves to the spectacle that shook Mrs...
...Incompetent...
...cal-loused?yes;culpable?that's not so clear...
...An adequate theological, historical, and sociological analysis is also needed...
...The experience has its uses now as, in a graduate course on Vatican II, I try to help students appreciate what the Council was and did: I can tell them what it was like to be following the summaries of each day's session and to find oneself caught up in the genuine drama-present at the creation, so to speak...
...That the conditions Mrs...
...but I am astonished-and moved [he added in broken voice]-to see so many ways in which the Spirit is causing the Gospel to spring up again in the lives of men and women,, as if an underground pool of living water were ceaselessly rising-to become a spring in the faith and generosity of the faithful...
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...Greene reports simply should not be-should, on any number of counts, be alleviated, as soon as possible-goes without saying...
...it has nothing to do with holiness, nor wisdom...
...In some respects what has replaced it is not a pleasant sight...
...To the Editors: Father Edward E. Kelly's worthy aim-the canonization of a dimensional Newman-cannot justify his careless juxtaposing of "a feminine dimension in Newman's personality" and that "his basic sexual orientation was homosexual" [Sept...
...Greene doesn't lay a guilt trip on the reader...
...HAVEN BRADFORD GOW The real Newman Los Angeles, Calif...
...The personal experience is especially helpful now that I encounter, each time I teach the course, more and more students who cannot remember what the church was like before the Council and whose first reading of the Council documents often evokes the (Continued on page 669) Correspondence (Continued from page 642) question: "What was all the fuss about?'' It is, of course, not simply the passage of time that evokes the question...
...Ironically, the feminine is anathema in current homosexual circles: gay macho reigns...
...JERRY BRENNAN-BECK Twenty years later Washington, D.C...
...The difficulty with creationism is that science, because of its own limitations and restrictions, simply cannot deal with the questions of God and creation...
...What I most applaud about the article is that Mrs...
...Pastoral practice and theological legitimation were very strictly associated, and anyone who suggested that "Roman Catholicism" was not the inevitable sociological form of the Catholic church was likely to find himself in difficulty...
...That these were so decisively and in principle repudiated is, for me, the inescapable conclusion of a reading of such documents as those on the church, on Divine Revelation, on Religious Liberty, and on the church in the Modern World...
...Let me propose as a model for the spirit with which to approach the present church the remarks made recently by Yves Congar, one of the men who most shaped the spirit and direction of the Council and whose very presence at the Council symbolized much of what it was about...
...So great was the conceptual and practical unity of "Roman Catholicism" that when any part of it was subtracted, the whole edifice came falling down...
...p. 657, Hawker in Punch...
...they use the techniques of the laboratory to seek truth and knowledge of external reality...
...The draft-dpcuments prepared for the Council's deliberations are simple repetitions of the principles and pieties that had guided the construction and defense of "Roman Catholicism...
...p. 650, Emil Antonucci...
...His remarks show an amazing ignorance of Scripture and early church history...
...Celibacy is more of an offshoot of Greek philosophy than...
...Illustrations: Cover, John Holland, Daily Telegraph, London...
...This is because creationists use scientific data to buttress the theological and philosophical propositions that God is objectively real and that he created man and the universe...
...To the Editors: Creationists [Oct...
...That such work is finally being undertaken is an encouraging sign, and I welcome Father Imbelli's fine essay as a useful contribution and invitation...
...Scientists as scientists are Concerned solely with descriptive reality...
...Above all, this hit-and-run treatment of two important components of Newman's genius-the homosexual and the feminine-despite Kelly's obvious good intention to avoid the excesses of'' Some ' Newman admirers (who) are painfully disturbed by such considerations," doesn't augur well for publicly arriving at a whole Newman...
...it is also the passing of one sociological form of Catholicism and the slow and still painful birth of another (or of others...
...I find unwelcome support for that conclusion in the bizarreries of the extreme Traditionalists of today, for whom the Council represents a Satanic capitulation to principles and forces which the church had opposed since they found their first articulation in the French Revolution...
...It is painful for me to see so many institutions and organizations which I knew when they were flourishing now disappearing or being weakened...
...JOSEPH A. KOMONCHAK Associate Professor Dept...
...He chose married men for Apostles...
...the church is responsible...
...they deal with observable and empirically verify able phenomena...
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...Peter's Square on October 11, 1962 as the Second Vatican Council opened (I was also there a year later at that audience with Pope Paul VI whose symbolic ironies he nicely evokes) ["Vatican II: Twenty Years Later," Oct...
...Has Mr- Vanauken considered that if the church tables the, issues of clerical celibacy and ordination of women it could be disobeying the commands to carry the Gospel to the whole world...
...whether it is worse or better than' 'Roman Catholicism" must be decided by criteria that do not rest on the assumptions of "Roman Catholicism" or of a mindlessly effete "pluralism...
...Judeo-Christian tradition...
...I will always regard my presence in Rome for the first two sessions of the Council as one of the great privileges of my life...
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...of Religion & Religious Education The Catholic University of America Roots of celibacy Sacramento, Calif...
...Jesus did not say that His Supper could only be led by males...
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...We simply cannot and must not provide theological and philosophical answers to scientific questions, even as we cannot and must not supply scientific answers to theological or philosophical questions...
...In the eyes of God, men and women are equally human in rights and responsibilities, no double standards...
...The Council is almost...
...Sheldon Vanauken in the issue of Oct...
...When Pope John XXIII proposed aggior-namento as the guiding principle of the Council, he called into question many of the theological and pastoral assumptions of the previous century...
...8th, the tradition of clerical celibacy is not two-thousand years old...
...p. 649, Cork...
...In any event...
...When natural scientists either affirm or negate the objective reality of God and creation, they step outside their field of expertise and enter different though no less intellectually respectable and legitimate branches of knowledge, namely, theology and the philosophy of science...
...Letters of not more than 250 or 300 words naturally have a better, chance of being published...
Vol. 109 • December 1982 • No. 21
