Global Warming? Try Getting Out of the Sun: An interview with Dr. Sallie Baliunas

GLASSMAN, JAMES K.

prohibition. "The war on drugs is the Frank added."The New Jersey state police best kept "off the streets." Also, marijuana number one reason for the use of inform- explicitly defended themselves...

...Sallie Baliunas Or...
...the Earth, the sun being one of them...
...But before that, there was a very long, protracted cooling that began in the 14th century that continued to the mid-19th century-a 500-year relative cold spell called the L i e Ice Age...
...Francisco...
...Most of the changes that we see line up gasses by human activities wen added to The fact that we stop emitting carbon with the changes in the sun...
...For example, growth of tree rings is retarded during cold times usualty and then is more advanced during warm times...
...say that sea the surface, but it csn't be caused by that 1940s, the sun's magnetism waned a l i i e bit ice should be growing as you warm a little carbon dioxide effect in that amosphedc and has since picked up a l i i e bit...
...Now there's the atmosphere...
...use are serving to make the laws seem more ri&culous...
...BMIUNAS: We are looking to find all the GWmAn: How much warming have we Would you say, in general, causes of natural change of the climate of actualty seen in the last 100 years...
...For the temperature records going back on Earth, we can reconstruct the Northern Hemisphere about 250 years or so...
...surface by carbon dioxide effect...
...You can't GLASSMAk What you're saying is that solar that you warm a l i r e bit and get more pre- bypass the lower layer of air and warm the activity is causing global warming...
...that at this point the science is unsettled...
...That direct telescope records of the sun since G U S M W I have read articles in the New layer of air should be warming quita rapidthe days of Galileo...
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...The sun is human signal...
...laliunas, we've heard that temperatures have increased on Earth over the last century...
...He actually testified as the lead defense witness for two defendants charged with growing 900 marijuana plants for me&cal use in adjacent Sonoma County...
...The warming began early in the 20th century, late in the 19th century...
...Then it, in turn, warms the surface...
...The GOPS continued domination by politicians who want to throw people in jail for doing no harm to anyone but (possibly) themselves may be its least attractive feature out West...
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...If they do, they imagine that only a matter of time before a state outright consequence of the drug war, Barney "druggies" are worthless and dangerous- decriminalizes marijuana...
...Hallinan then pointed to the dubious way in whlch the interstate commerce clause has been expansively interpreted over the years to j u s t i ~ federal regulation of trade...
...there is no plaintiff to press the matter...
...GUSSMAIY: Now, have you actually correlated the activity of the sun, this magnetism that you're talking about, with the rise of temperatures on Earth...
...At that point the Global warming...
...So the magnetism of the Vork 7imes and elsewhere about the obser- ly...
...vatives, however...
...bit because it's so cold at the North Pole layer, which has no warming...
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...Terence Hahnan, the &strict attorney of San Francisco, who was introduced as "the finest prosecutor in America," supports the full decriminahzation of marijuana...
...Ice can change for first according to the (global warmind peratures from the 1940s through the mid- reasons other than temperature...
...b coincident with this rise in temperature on here...
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...change because precipitation's changed...
...Maybe, also, Republicans would become a little more popular, in just such closely fought states as Oregon and Washington, where there are plenty of people who would gladly settle for a party that lowers their taxes, if only they could be reassured that it would at the same time leave them alone...
...6 W W If there was global warming before the 20th century...
...Yet they are preachmg to us about things that we do &om time to time hold dear-the inappropriate application of the interstate commerce clause, and states' rights...
...The defendants were acquitted in April...
...There are issues where states could on their own formulate policies that have very little effect on other states," he said...
...My motto is keep your head down...
...Most of that warming occurred models that make the predictions into the see, essentially, no signal of human activi- early in the century, before the greenhouse Mure are exaggerating the warmth...
...cipitation...
...the lower layer of air of the Earth...
...As Nadelmann pointed out, the lack of plain- asked us to do.They asked us to stop these "emblem of the politically dlssatisfied...
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...of people who use and sell drugs are attention...
...And the ups and downs of temperature match almost exactly the ups and downs and change in magnetism, and so, the energy output of the sun...
...Then we have to rely on other records...
...I believe we can get away with it in San Francisco," he said...
...Today the states are far closer to tem, where more and more people are sent offenders locked up in New York state changing the drug laws than the federal to jail on the word of others who have prisons are black or Hispanic...
...Whose side shall we be on then...
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...Maybe they have something important to tell us...
...ti6 also means that prosecutions depend drug couriers, and most of them are blacks But another point, a political one, more on criminal testimony obtained by and Hispanics.' " emerged several times in the conference...
...Also, marijuana number one reason for the use of inform- explicitly defended themselves against the has "historically been seen by a lot of ants, and the number one reason for the racial profiling charge by saying,'We were Americans as the badge of the counteruse of undercover agents, and it has sup- just doing what the federal government culture,'' Barney Frank said, and an plied the justification for their virtually limitless use...
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...BAUUIYAS: Yes, the correlation is very strong...
...BAUUIYAS: When the sun's magnetism is strong, the sun's energy output is higher and the Earth is warmer...
...GUSSMAW: How can you tell...
...GUSSMAIY: Has there been solar activity over the last hundred years that would correlate with the temperature on Earth...
...Yet, paradoxically,"it is precisely on issues of criminal law and personal behavior, where, logically, the case is the strongest for allowing state dscretion, that the conservatives want to nationahze thmgs...
...It can modets...
...offering people deals and bargains in Studes have shown that the majority Ths time conservatives may want to pay order to get them to testifj against others...
...He wondered how on earth the clause could be made to apply to growing a plant and consuming it, all within the codnes of a single county, let alone state...
...SAlUE BAUUIYIIS: The temperature of the Earth has increased over the last 100 years...
...Terence Hallinan and Barney Frank are two of the most lefi-wing politicians in the country...
...And Barney Frank brought up states' rights...
...In part they don't think surely follow smt (Hawaii already has...
...seen ups and downs, but there's been no the Earth...
...So we are creating a corruption of the system, where more The lack cOmplailung and more people are sent to jail on the word of others who also corrupts law enforcement...
...Before that 800 or 1,000 years ago-the early part of the millennium-the temperature was even higher than today, worldwide...
...with the temperature on Earth...
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...We measured that carefully over the last 20 years with satellites from the Earth, and we measured it indirectly going back 400 years, 1,000 years, and 10,000 years...
...Were temperatures stable before that...
...Such civil- governrnent.With medical marijuana ballot been convicted or threatened with convic- rights arguments rarely appeal to conser- initiatives so successfid, state legislatures wdl tion, and whose testimony is suspect...
...Now we've seen a f i e bit of warmlng of BAWNAS: Yes, from about the 1930s, the Some of the models, in fact...
...Was there a tack of magnetism...
...The marijuana was being grown for consumption by a 1,200member club (many of them patients with told the conference...
...Coral growth rings tell us about the temperature of the ocean...
...what caused it...
...That layer of air has to warm GUSSMAN: Now there were declining tem- been overturned...
...I do appreciate that we've got to live with the federal government...
...But if there is, it's quite years of satellite measurements made of as magnetically active as it's been in our tiny...
...It is easier to make a case go away with a bribe when have been convicted or threatened with conviction...
...That BAUUW There's been about a half a BIUIM The science altogether is way we can subtract out the natural degree centigrade or a degree Fahrenheit unsettled, but we know for surs that the changes and look for the human signal...
...WWk No, those obsentations have net trend...
...70s...
...Consumption for medical purposes is legal in Cahfornia, but the rights of growers and distributors have been unclear...
...We warming...
...Ws where the carbon dioxide greensun has been rising gradually, and it was vation of some icebreakers saying, "Wow, house effect should be taking place...
...BAUmAS: The thermometers go back only about 100 years or so over some substantial portion of the Earth...
...It is Some "racial profihng" is a chrect about them...
...Glaciers advance and retreat, mountain glaciers, polar glaciers...
...It is more a prediction than an So we are creating a corruption of the sys- white.Yet 94 percent of the 25,000 drug argument...
...dioxide will do nothing to change the some uncertainty, so there may be e The acid test of all this is the lea 22 course of the climate...
...That especially sharp early in the 20th century, there doesn't seem to be as much ice up layer has not seen s big warming trend...
...As conservatives who have opposed "If you can grow it in Sonoma, you them predicted, the provisions for medical can grow it in San Francisco," Hahnan In states such as Washington and Oregon there are plenty of people who would settle for a party that would lower their taxes if it would at the same time leave them alone...

Vol. 34 • June 2001 • No. 5


 
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