False Witness
York, Byron
Ffi E WITNESSANTON FRIEND VERNON JORDAN SW EARS HET 01 D THE TRUTH TO KENNETH S TA II R. S (RAND.1URN. SO WHY ARE THERE SO MANY HOLES INHIS STORY? BYRON YORKnlike others who testified before the...
...When prosecutors asked how Clinton reacted, Lewinsky said he told her it was "a good idea...
...I was not Ms...
...It had nothing to do with the Drudge Report...
...As I remember, it means the thing speaks for itself," Jordan answered...
...At 4:59, he tried Mills...
...No," Jordan answered...
...Certainly Kenneth Starr's prosecutors, who, to their credit, brought Jordan back to the grand jury as they discovered new evidence, choseto leave many questions unanswered...
...When you indicated to the president that she had signed the affidavit, what, if anything, did he tell you...
...At lO:29, he called the White House...
...Just about the only heretic invited by the organizers of Annenberg II to speak, he wasn't repentant...
...I don't think that's relevant to this conversation," Jordan responded...
...Did you read the affidavit...
...She wasn't completely happy with the wording and decided to change it in a couple of places...
...I am fairly certain it was not about Monica Lewinsky...
...Perhaps lobbies in general aren't what they used to be...
...Exactly," Lewinsky said...
...The president reminded Lewinsky that she had promised she would never use their affair to hurt him...
...No," Jordan said...
...I don't remember how we got to this point, but Mr...
...And that is just the truth...
...Do you know what that call would have been about...
...prosecutor Michael Emmick asked...
...Sunbeam complained that having undertaken to endorse its products, the AMA pulled out when the media raised a fuss...
...I asked her directly had there been any sexual relationship between she and the president;' Jordan told the grand jurors...
...What were the nature of the concerns...
...Not his job status at the White House," Jordan answered, "but what he wanted to do with his life...
...Jordan testified that he told Clinton about Lewinsky's visit that very evening, December 19, when Jordan and his wife just happened to have been invited to a White House social event...
...In this later call, the seven-minute call with him around six that night, did you seek any information from the president at that time...
...I must say I take exception;' he said, "to the suggestion that Vernon Jordan might have been lying...
...Bienert moved on to the first call to Clinton...
...MAN OF GREAT INTEGRITY During one of the first impeachment hearings of the House Judiciary Committee, Florida Republican Bill McGollum ran down a long list of incriminating evidence against the president...
...Bienert asked...
...I didn't get into that...
...She asked him what she should do if she received a subpoena...
...Maybe I'm responding to her about my efforts...
...Did you ever discuss with Mr...
...Information...
...But before that happened, Jordan gave her a ride back to his office...
...A new understanding of accountability that moves beyond blaming individuals when they make mistakes must be established if progress is to be made...
...I was not impugning Vernon Jordan's integrity," he said...
...It is entirely possible that I did...
...I told her I'm sure it was coming, to be patient, take your time...
...My calendar says 'Hold for East Lake.' I have absolutely no recollection of having met with her and my calendar does not so indicate...
...The American Spectator • February 1999 ordan went to see Clinton shortly after .meeting Moni ca "I have no recollection of what my conversation was when I Was visiting Bienert then ran down a flurry of phone calls on November 5, the day of the meeting with Lewinsky...
...During this time Clinton became increasingly concerned that Lewinsky—in a state of agitation over his ending of their relationship and unwillingness to give her a White House job—might do something to embarrass him...
...At about two in the morning on Friday, October the president called her at home...
...To a jam-packed, riveted, grateful audience, he delivered a lecture with slides illustrating how errors of all kinds happening at the "sharp end" of a system--in medicine, where doctor or nurse or technician meets patient--are really caused by the unseen "blunt end" of the system bearing down with its "policies, procedures and constraints...
...It had nothing to do with Monica Lewinsky...
...He testified repeatedly that his task was to find her a job and a lawyer...
...Tell us what the two of you talked about...
...I told him that I was concerned by her fascination, her being taken with him...
...Lucille Branton is the widow of Wiley A. Branton, Sr., who was the lawyer for the Little Rock Nine, a February 1999 • The American Spectator partner of mine in Pine Bluff, Arkansas...
...But prosecutors had new evidence —and more questions...
...Yes, STOCK MARKET RETURNS without STOCK MARKET RISKS...
...Sort of—that that seemed to be too out of the realm of possibility, so —" "Too implausible...
...Relations or relationships...
...I have given you, counselor, the essence of the telephone conversation," Jordan responded...
...Meeting alone in the Oval Office study, Lewinsky and Clinton talked about having Vernon Jordan help in her New York job search...
...The American Spectator • February 1999 OnicalhOughl:the .draft . eh he-idea of *with crowds of other people slie sat "I think to me The language in the Carter draft that bothered Lewinsky was this: I do not recall ever being alone with the President, although it is pos sible that while working in the White House Office of Legislative Affairs I may have presented him with a letter for his signature while no one else was present...
...At4:51, he called Currie...
...Bienert asked...
...MI INt,Y \\ 11 \ NIITTING...
...Meanwhile, at 8:55, Clinton called Jordan at home, and the two spoke for ten minutes...
...Jordan returned to his office in the late afternoon...
...I have never met such a "real" person in my entire life...
...Neither Carter nor Jordan had ever heard of him...
...What's a system...
...I don't know why I was there or what it was about," Jordan told them...
...Your statement about the witness list in the Paula Jones case being faxed on the Friday before, I don't know anything about that...
...Lewinsky arrived at 4:47...
...Two months later, when Jordan again testified, prosecutors showed him the phone records of that day...
...By Jordan's account, given at his first grand jury appearance, their talk was perfunctory...
...The residence...
...Jordan is president of the club and had gone there that morning to attend a board of directors meeting...
...She wanted to know about her job...
...Jordan told the grand jury he couldn't remember any of the calls...
...But Jordan didn't seem to get it...
...Is the answer no, sir...
...Atoken of how far in the world this unique profession has slipped are moves by doctors to organize for collective bargaining, anti-trust laws or no anti-trust laws...
...I think she thought erroneously that I could move mountains instantly...
...At their second meeting, when Jordan made his "you're in love" remark, Lewinsky again believed he knew...
...I don't remember why I wanted to go to the White House," Jordan testified...
...It depends on your point of view," Jordan responded...
...Did it have anything to do with the Paula Jones ease...
...And she said that she had not had a sexual relationship with the president, and I took her at her word on that...
...I've told you what I called him about...
...George Lundberg, editor of JAMA, had written, "The AMA, largely populated by new high-level staffand emboldened by a newly approved Vision, is fleshly energized toward high-quality medical care...
...Did you discuss at all with Ms...
...But they didn't...
...Phone records showed that Clinton called Jordan at home at about five, almost immediately after the deposition concluded...
...Instead of"negligence," you hear "maloccurrence," "therapeutic misadventure," "unexpected outcome," "mishap...
...Bienert wanted to know...
...On November 4, the day before the Lewinsky meeting, Jordan called Betty Currie at 3:52 p.m...
...At that point, by Jordan's own reckoning, he should have been finished with the Monica Lewinsky case...
...I think it's reasonable to assume that based on this that I had a conversation with him...
...By the next time Jordan appeared, in May, prosecutors knew more about the events surrounding the drafting of the affidavit...
...When prosecutors asked what they talked about, he answered, "Just passing the time of day....I was not there on substantive business, I'm just sort of breezing through there...
...My driver drove us to 1 3th and G or whatever, to Mr...
...She paged her again at 8:33...
...He would kind of do this `Mmmph' thing...
...I had had some concerns from looking at the draft affidavit and addressed those concerns with him, and he agreed...
...Ginsburg told Carter that he was Monica Lewinsky's new lawyer, and that Carter was offthe ease...
...So after we had the conversation I was just talking about with Mr...
...For behind the "first story" discovered by an ordinary investigation must lurk a "second story" to do with the "hidden vulnerabilities and strengths and dynamic character of the system...
...His car pulled into the Southwest Gate at 2:44...
...Here it is,'" Jordan quoted Lindsey as saying...
...prosecutor Michael Emmick asked...
...During his first grand juryappearance, Jordan testified that Currie called him in earlyDecember 1997...
...I had been satisfied on that...
...I mean, there it was...
...But this wasn't a systems failure...
...Yes," Jordan said...
...A lawsuit filed by the Sunbeam Corporation against the AMA was to go to trial days before Annenberg II...
...I'm just an old man...
...At quo he called Howard Gittis, chief executive of MacAndrews & Forbes, the company that ultimately gave Lewinsky a job...
...Over a low-fat breakfast in the tent, someone from the Joint Commission on Accreditation of Healthcare Organizations- the outfit hospitals pay to check up on them--told me that after 4 ° years in business, the JG only came out with its "Sentinel Event" program after the media featured the story of Betsy Lehman, a 39-year-old health reporter for the Boston Globe who died in 1995 from numerous chemotherapy overdoses...
...Why did you think the president needed to know that Frank Carter had been replaced...
...But Bienert again pointed to the White House entry records showing Jordan entering the West Wing around two in the afternoon...
...We did not spend a lot of time talking about the Drudge Report, but I did tell him that I had seen it," Jordan said...
...I don't know," Jordan said...
...Your Principal is...
...Jordan had known that we had already had this affair...and I said, Well, we already had an affair...
...Sol Wisenberg jumped in...
...Lewinsky's signed affidavit in the Paula Jones case...
...Jordan also breezed through the Oval Office for a visit with the president...
...I think it—at—I don't think I said it," Lewinsky stammered...
...I have no recollection of meeting with Monica Lewinsky on November 5th," Jordan repeated...
...The American Spectator • February z999 local resident Walter Annenberg has a nine-hole course of his own--that hundreds of doctors, pharmacists, nurses, statisticians, HMO types, hospital and insurance CEOs, human factors engineers, cognitive psychologists and so on from the U.S., Canada, Europe, and Israel gathered for the second biennial Annenberg Conference...
...It was Clinton...
...The idea of 'with crowds of other people,' I think to me was too far from the fake truth," she testified...
...1,ewitisky testified before the grand jury...
...It is entirely possible that Jordan wasn't trying to reach Hernreich at all...
...I have absolutely no recollection of it and I have no record of it...
...Walk us through exactly what you would have said," Bienert asked...
...But I have breakfast at the Park Hyatt very often, as the records that you have subpoenaed from the Park Hyatt will show you...
...The American Spectator • Fe b r u a r y z9 9 9 'Testerday afternoon, I was served a subpoena by the independent counsel, Kenneth W. Starr, to appear before the grand jury...
...We lamented the fact that we had not been able to play very much golf, the weather had not been the best...
...For example, in bed with the Republicans, it couldn't get federal tort reform to hinder patients suing doctors for malpractice...
...By the end of the month, Lewinsky, who had gone to California to visit her family, was anxious for an update...
...No," Jordan answered...
...System" is another buzzword...
...I—I don't know...
...When it was, I do not know...
...It's wonderful working in a place where the President of the February 19 99 • The American Spectator United States, the Vice President of the United States and cabinet members are coming to and fro.'" "Did she say anything further about President Clinton...
...But Monica was still worried...
...It's not on my calendar, it's not on here, actually, but I did meet with her on the 7th or the 8th, she had the affidavit...
...The president's allowed to call people.'" "And I said, 'Well, we've had phone sex' And so Mr...
...seemed like he Prosecutor Bienert wanted to hear more...
...And a few— maybe a minute or so later, he said, Well maybe you two will have an affair when he's out of office.'" "And at that point, I was shocked because I thought Mr...
...Did your calling at the White House at lO:29 in the rooming, did it have anything to do with Monica Lewinsky...
...I was in a state of confusion...
...But when Lewinsky testified months later, she had a much more detailed story to tell...
...That is correct...
...Now his testimony is available forall to see...
...Did she say anything in that meeting that made you think or suggested to you that she had any interaction with President Clinton other than working in the same building where he and the vice president and cabinet members would come and go...
...Bienert asked...
...That's the truth, that's the wholetruth, that's nothing but the truth," he told reportersafter his second appearance a few days later...
...Jordan, It was a real pleasure meeting with you...
...At 12:5o, when Jordan was still with Lindsey, Clinton tried unsuccessfully to reach him at home...
...id and on top of the table...
...William Ginsburg, Lewinsky's lawyer at the time, told reporters that his client first met with Jordan in early November, not December...
...Months after Jordan testified, prosecutors uncovered still more evidence about the events of the 6th...
...No...
...I thought maybe he didn't really understand or— fully understand what it was that was happening here with me being subpoenaed and what this really meant...
...Jordan spent much of the morning of the nth making phone calls on Lewinsky's behalf to Young & Rubicam, Revlon, and American Express...
...Addressing White House lawyer Greg Craig, MeCollum said, "I am curious to know if you findanything in any of the testimony, Mr...
...Whatever Jordan's understanding, even more red flags were raised just a few days after the December 19 meeting...
...Jordan that— I said I was concerned that maybe —that someone had listened in on phone calls," Lewinsky testified...
...Have you told me his name...
...I do not recall any heightened sense of urgency...
...She tried to call Lewinsky at 8:29...
...He was clearly angry, but soon discovered Lewinsky was furious...
...Jordan, he said to me, `Well, you know what your problem is?' And I said, 'What?' He said, 'Don't deny it.' And he said, 'You're in love, that's what your problem is.' So I think I just—probably blushed or giggled, something like that...
...I think you told us this before, but I want to make sure I'm clear," he said...
...Jordan left his office in the early afternoon to have lunch with Frank Carter at the Park Hyatt...
...Davis asked, using the code Lewinsky sometimes employed to refer to the president's best friend...
...Bienert asked...
...Lewinsky told the grand jury that she thought Jordan "would be a good person who is a close friend of the president and who has a lot of contacts in New York...
...Bienert returned to the subject during Jordan's second appearance...
...Call 1-800-575-1566 to find out what your stock broker doesn't want you to know...
...Doctors and nurses, and their families and best friends, have always known that hospitals, yes, medicine in general, can be hazardous to your health...
...Can you...
...Did you see any unsigned version of that affidavit before you saw the signed version...
...Just to make sure, prosecutors asked one more time...
...I do not deny that it happened...
...Yes...
...The next day, he dropped bythe Oval Office—and remembered a conversation with the president that was largely about family and golf...
...Jordan made arrangements for Lewinsky to come to his office again on Monday morning, December 22...
...Perhaps Bienert expected Jordan to say they talked about the ordeal of the deposition or the Jones case in general, but instead Jordan answered that he and the president talked about a funeral Jordan had attended that day in Washington...
...Mrs...
...McCollum was quick to clarify...
...The two men talked for 25 minutes...
...That's correct," Jordan said...
...Absolutely not...
...Did you ever discuss with Ms...
...At 5:14 he called Frank Carter again...
...He testified that the conversation barely touched on Lewinsky...
...Not that that would have—no," Jordan said...
...On the second, they simply said that "there were other people present" on the occasions Lewinsky saw the president after she stopped working at the White House...
...I ()()L While Jordan and the president were talking, Lewinsky headed to New York for her job interviews...
...Wasn't there a little something going on that day...
...If a woman comes who has worked in the White House with a subpoena to participate or to be a witness in a sexual harassment case and if there are tears and upset and all of that," he told the grand jury, "you didn't have to be Einstein to know that that was a question that had to be asked by me at that particular time, because heretofore this discussion was about a job...
...Even when she saw Clinton in their now-infamous December 28 White House meeting, she couldn't say it...
...Indeed, Annenberg II unmistakably had something about it of a revival meeting...
...It could have been related to the president," Jordan answered...
...So do the scandals...
...She paged Lewinsky again at 8:51...
...No one spoke of this into a microphone in Rancho Mirage...
...What else was said...
...When he told her that she came "very highly recommended" during their first meeting, she took it to be an inside joke...
...In the two conversations I had with the President of the United States, we did not talk about Monica Lewinsky or his testimony in the deposition," Jordan said...
...Information," Jordan answered...
...Jordan if he thought the president would always be married to the first lady and he said, 'Yes, as he should be' And he gave me a quote from the Bible...
...Do you know what you spoke with the president about in that call, or what do you believe you spoke with him about...
...On December 22, he found her a lawyer, and on January 9, he found her a job...
...Andafter his last day before the grand jury, Jordanannounced, "When I was a kid in Sunday school, Ilearned a verse: 'Ye shall know the truth, and thetruth will set you free.' I have come here five times, and I have told the truth...
...Monica Lewinsky," Jordan answered...
...Bienert asked...
...The only place I've ever met with her...
...She strongly suspected Tripp had betrayed her, but she couldn't bring herself to tell the president that she had revealed their affair— in astonishing detail —to her friend at the Pentagon...
...I have a car and a driver...
...Lundberg believes is necessary to hoist and keep those in-office gold mines up to clinically reliable standards...
...First of all, I have no recollection of having met with Monica Lewinsky on November 5th," Jordan answered...
...Not about the affidavit, not about the Park Hyatt breakfast, not about his astonishingly bad memory of all those talks With the president and top White House aides...
...Earlier, Jordan had given prosecutors the impression that no such conversation had ever taken place...
...The phone records also showed that Clinton phoned Jordan again about two hours later...
...Carter had startling news...
...I did not," Jordan said...
...She showed Jordan the subpoena and made clear that she was terribly worried by the fact that it mentioned a specific gift she received from Clinton...
...She paged Lewinsky again at 8:44...
...By the next day, the president knew Lewinsky's name was on the list...
...How long did you meet with Ms...
...1 cannot for die life of me Jell you ~vhal tha...
...Bienert wanted to know...
...Carter did, that I just would feel that it sort of had been blessed...
...At 2:34 p.m., he called her yet again...
...A few days later, on December 15, Clinton received a request from the Jones lawyers to turn over "documents that related to communications between the president and Monica Lewinsky...
...He told the reporter he was going back to sleep...
...Jordan testified he was completely unaware of that issue —and insisted he didn't want to know any more...
...When Lewinsky finally appeared before the grand jury, she told a far different story about the meeting on December 11...
...Given the circumstances that existed at the White House in the 2 4 hours following Clinton's deposition in the Jones case, that answer seemed simply beyond belief...
...Now, during the lunch," he asked Jordan, "what topics did you guys discuss, you and Mr...
...But you had indicated to him on the 19th that the president had given you a hat pin...
...I was also sort of under this influence of Linda saying to me, 'Of course he knows, of course he knows, of course he knows,"' said, `Well, we've had sex.' And-so Mr: Jordan said, `What's phone sexri said, *now what phone Lewinsky testified...
...Jordan instead of the president...
...That's fine," the prosecutor said...
...So there is a possibility Jordan will never be asked about the many questionable portions of his testimony...
...It didn't take studies to open their eyes...
...Have you ever seen Ms...
...Period...
...Why not...
...Lewinsky hurried to the White House, arriving a little after 9 : 30...
...Tee-hee-hee) Bienert then read Davis's response to Lewinsky...
...And then he started yelling, and I yelled more, and he yelled more...and then I was crying...
...The findings have been uniform: of every hundred patients admitted to hospital, one either dies or is hurt because of substandard care...
...Jordan said, 'Well, you know, so what...
...I knew the president was there, I knew it was a holiday [Martin Luther King Day] and that there were people there, there were things to talk about...
...But in the time between Jordan's first grand jury appearance, in early March, and his later grand jury appearances two months later, Starr's investigators found evidence that cast doubt on both the timing and the substance of his story...
...The president's testimony, given at his lawyer's office near the White House, lasted through the morning and well into the afternoon...
...the juror interrupted...
...At 4:58, he dialed Lindsey...
...I have no recollection of the conversation...
...And Mr...
...Do you understand what I'm saying...
...With that in mind, prosecutors pressed Lewinsky on some of the prosaic details that can corroborate a witness's story...
...Did you discuss any aspects of it...
...One reason is economic--the market no longer is controlled by doctors who treat and charge as they like but is run by insurance companies for which they labor...
...Jordan, the President of the United States wants to talk to you now.' And I got on the cart with him and we went back to the golf club and I spoke with the President...
...Shortly before noon, Jordan called the White House and spoke to Clinton for about 11 minutes...
...That's correct...
...Lewinsky what she was going to include in the affidavit...
...But prosecutors still wanted to know why Jordan made time for her...
...And the lawyer that I'm going to get for her...is Frank Carter.'" The American Spectator • February 1999 #:..r1;11 "m, you know...
...It went badly, and Lewinsky complained to Jordan, who in turn personally called company chairman Ronald Perelman on her behalf...
...He was hying to say there was nothing out of the ordinary about this subpoena," Lewinsky testified...
...And that was about the extent of our conversation on the Lewinsky situation...
...At 5:56 he called Clinton and spoke for seven minutes...
...It obviously happened...
...He arranged a lunchtime meeting with Monica, who arrived a few minutes before one...
...Jordan asked me what I got angry at the president about, so I told him when he doesn't call me enough or see me enough...
...I'm not a trial lawyer, I've not tried a case in a very long time," Jordan testified during his first appearance before the grand jury...
...Perhaps neither McGollum nor Frank had read all of Jordan's testimony...
...In fairness to them, however, it appears that few people-even those most closely involved in the scandal--are interested in resolving the questions about what Jordan told the grand jury...
...But he was up early on the moming of January 21st, even before his phone rang at 6:30...
...And he said, 'It's not true.' And he just sort of emoted about this circumstance...
...Lindsey say to you about the report in relation to the president...
...What would you say to: 12% Fixed Returns on a 12-month program...
...Do you feel it's safe to assume," Beinert asked, "that you were not discussing in any detail your efforts with Mr...
...I want to say to you absolutely and unequivocally that Ms...
...Cook's speech was the best-received...
...At 11:44 he called her again...
...After all, just a few weeks earlier, Lewinsky had apparently made such a minimal impression on Jordan that he could not even remember meeting her...
...Why did yon want to go to the White House on the 19th...
...We didn't talk about the subpoena...
...Lewinsky's lawyer," Jordan said...
...Clinton told Lewinsky she should tell Betty Currie immediately if she received a subpoena...
...And I told him that Monica Lewinsky had a job...
...Jordan told the grand jury he remembered stopping by the White House counsel's office to see Lindsey and Mills...
...She was sobbing hysterically, so much so that he could not understand what she was hying to tell him...
...prosecutors asked...
...Finally, at 6:04 he called Currie again...
...At 4:54, he called Carter's office and spoke for a few minutes...
...She then went to Jordan's office to show it to him...
...When...
...Whew...
...Instead, Jordan testified that he saw Lewinsky as a star-struck young woman trying to get too close to the president...
...She was a White House intern and so the knowledge of President Clinton was not then an issue for me...
...Of course, Jordan was working under a handicap: Lewinsky, fearing his reaction, had not told him that she had confided her secrets to Tripp...
...What did you eat for breakfast at the Hyatt...
...At 11:17 he called Lindsey again...
...Nor, jumping into a strange bed with Clinton, did it get laws enabling patients to sue HMOs for the same cause of action...
...I'm certain that I was not calling Monica Lewinsky to ask her about the Drudge Report...
...Curtie paged again at 8:o8...
...I think he had cereal with yogurt...
...Did you talk with him about the draft affidavit...
...There are many, many other things that I could have spoken with him about in that six-minute period...
...Do you believe that you updated the president during your call with him about anything in relation to Monica Lewinsky...
...Do you believe that it would have had anything to do with the Drudge Report, Monica Lewinsky, or anything related thereto...
...I have absolutely no recollection of that...
...What did he have...
...He was no more forthcoming a few days later, when prose cutors tried to return to the subject...
...Lundberg himself, a pathologist, edits his magazine with fine independence, and has even published research supporting continued regulation of doctors' in-office labs by the government, something that came about following an expos4 in the Wall Street JoumaI, something the AMA hates, and something Dr...
...I was a cannon ready to shoot," Monica later told Tripp in a recorded phone conversation...
...At 11:16 he paged Lewinsky again...
...I was traveling," Jordan answered...
...A settlement of $9.9 million kept Annenberg II from having to compete with news of the trial...
...She had to let the president know the truth, even though she didn't want to confess in person...
...It was very interesting...
...He told skeptical prosecutors that the conversation was probably about Bruce Lindsey's career prospects...
...And that's all I can do...
...Starr's prosecutors wanted to know what he and the president discussed...
...There is no connection," Jordan said...
...I mean, he didn't really understand what I was saying...
...Did you have any understanding at all, though, of what strategy, if any, would be employed with Ms...
...She was called back for another interview on January 9 and was soon offered a job...
...He did indeed have cereal with yogurt...
...No...
...Did she know President Clinton...
...Tom Bienert asked...
...It is entirely possible," Jordan finally conceded...
...He read it aloud for the grand jury...
...Bienert wondered about the timing of the call: Had Jordan received a message to phone the president...
...Immediately after that, he called the White House and talked with Nancy Hernreich, possibly to leave a message for Clinton...
...Jordan said he couldn't remember...
...Can you think of any reason why you would have called the White House both literally as you were going in to meet with Frank Garter and then upon leaving the luncheon with Frank Carter...
...Lewinsky told investigators she talked to Jordan and he told her to drop off a copy at his office...
...I said, 'I want to discuss this with you in person.' And he goes, 'No, no, no, no...
...But the hit was Dr...
...But Jordan was not only dialing the White House on his car phone...
...When Jordan next appeared before the grand jury two months later, he repeated his testimony about the December call from Currie...
...But he flatly denied discussing Lewinsky...
...Yet instead of growing, the sovereignty of the profession has been dribbling away...
...First, she said she and Jordan did indeed discuss the subpoena...
...If I had known what kind of person you really were," he told Lewinsky in a now-famous exchange, "I wouldn't have gotten involved with you...
...Lewinsky told investigators she did just that, throwing away as much as 5o pages of letters to Clinton...
...Good...
...Not at all...
...I haven't the slightest idea," Jordan answered...
...Do you believe, sir," Bienert asked, "that to the degree that two minutes before hearing from Monica Lewinsky there was a call from you to Betty Currie, that you might have spoken to Betty Currie shortly before that about Monica Lewinsky...
...A few days later, on January 1 3 , Lewinsky stopped by his office for a brief visit and gave him a tie and pocket square as a thank-you gift...
...He called the White House again from his car phone at 2:29, immediately after leaving Carter...
...I am almost certain that I said something to him about the Drudge Report and the allegations therein or general conversation about it," Jordan testified...
...Can you preclude that you did that...
...I told him how emotional she was about having gotten the subpoena...
...I just don't think I did...
...He might have said—no, is it, uh —this is embarrassing...
...The Jones lawyers were still after Lewinsky, and Clinton was scheduled to give his deposition in the case on Saturday, January 17...
...I didn't say, counselor, that I was playing golf in Georgia," Jordan answered...
...Monica thought that was a bit much...
...It was their last meeting...
...She was careful not to include the more personal gifts Clinton had given her...
...Did they dance...
...And he suggested that if I was upset that I should call and take my frustrations out on Mr...
...Shortly before 4:oo in the afternoon —after Lewinsky called from the Pentagon with word of the subpoena, but before she arrived at Jordan's office —Jordan called the White House asking for the president...
...nevertheless, he spent the next ~ several minutes trying in vain 'to reach anyone at the White House counsel's office to tell them the news...
...I think he —uh — might have given some suggestion as to what he thought phone sex was and I agreed...
...prosecutor Robert Bittrnan asked...
...Then, at 3:54 p.m., Lewinsky called Jordan on his private line...
...But Jordan's involvement in the Lewinsky matter was by no means over...
...The request apparently triggered another middle-of-the-night call to Monica...
...It may have been about my lunch with Bruce Lindsey...
...Yet it was a debate on the judicial aftermath of the short life of Miquel Angel Sanchez which flooded a crowded auditorium with less pleasant, arguably more illuminating emotions...
...Another thing in Carter's draft bothered Lewinsky...
...BYRON YORKnlike others who testified before the grand jury investigating the Monica Lewinsky scandal, Vernon Jordan never shied away from reporters gathered outsidethe federal courthouse in Washington...
...When in fact I had told people about the hat pin...
...I thought she had a right to know...
...All right...
...it appeared he went to see Clinton not long after Lewinsky left his office...
...By now, the only skeptics are those who believe these figures are too low because they're drawn from medical charts, and usually such charts, to put it kindly, are impressionistic...
...I have great faith and confidence in Mr...
...It was then that Jordan made his now well-known call to the White House in which he announced "Mission accomplished...
...I did not say I was there...
...Did I meet Monica Lewinsky in early November...
...I found her a lawyer...
...I have no recollection of whether I had said to her that I had spoken to the president...
...Lewinsky told Starr's investigators that she got the page and called Currie from a pay phone at the Wilshire Courtyard Marriott in Los Angeles...
...An editorial one week before in the AMA journal, known officially as ]A/V/A, had put the message and the faith in a nutshell...
...Obviously after she signed it...
...Craig, that we have before us-from Vernon Jordan-where Mr...
...Did you know that if your funds are in the stock market, your principle is at risk...
...Eight minutes later, he called David Kendall, the president's other scandal attorney...
...I was pleased to be helpful to Ms...
...She said, `The president is a friend of mine and I really have great admiration for the president...
...That night the Lewinsky story broke wide open in early editions ofthe Washington Post...
...I don't know...
...Very good...
...He also said the creep had talked to him, and as I was leaving he said, "You come very highly recommended...
...On the contrary, there was more than one unsympathetic allusion to the plaintifflawyers and the media...
...and talked to the president for five minutes...
...On Monday, October 6, her friend Linda Tripp passed on word from a White House source that Lewinsky would never get a job at the White House, something Lewinsky had wanted desperately for more than a year...
...Lewinsky, whose drive, ambition and personality were impressive...
...It was— it was very scary...
...Oh, yes," Lewinsky answered...
...The next day, the zznd, Jordan went before reporters-at the Park Hyatt--to make his first public statement on the scandal...
...Hmmm...
...he left a message with close aide Debra Schiff...
...So I was pretty upset...
...What did Mr...
...We'll see...
...breakfast meeting at which, Lewinsky said, he advised her toconceal evidence of her affair with the president...
...She did, and Jordan called back a little before four...
...I I...
...That is why I took her to Frank Carter...
...Seated at Jordan's customary corner table, Lewinsky 'fessed up...
...Lewinsky brought up one of her favorite topics...
...We were doing what friends do when Mends have a "At any time, did Mr...
...We've had many conversations about that...
...I have no reason to contradict what I see here," Jordan said as he looked at the phone records...
...And, just to finish things up, he produced a letter from Lewinsky to Jordan himself, dated November 6: Dear Mr...
...And one of my concerns at the lunch with Bruce Lindsey was his future and what he wanted to do, and I may have been talking to Cheryl Mills about that...
...We were sort of bantering back and forth about that and then he told me that I shouldn't get angry at the president because he's got a lot of— it sounds so stupid — obviously, he has a lot of other more important and difficult things to deal with than someone getting upset with him...
...What would a decline in the stock market do to your stocks, mutual funds and retirement accounts...
...That's all right...
...Bienert moved on to a long list of telephone records...
...The report was res ipsa Ioquitur...
...He said, 'Fine, good'—whatever...
...nervous about the stock market...
...A few minutes later, Massachusetts Democrat Barney Frank jumped in...
...No...
...Jordan conceded that he did "inquire as to how [Clinton] was feeling in the aftermath of his testimony....And as I remember, his comment was tough clay, got through it...
...But Jordan was still traveling...
...Only by forsaking the reflex to blame and concentrating on this deeper story can anything be learned and fixed...
...I've never had breakfast with Monica Lewinsky...
...Prosecutors wanted to know why Jordan chose that day to meet for lunch...
...Likewise, the anesthesiologists kicked offtheir patient safety foundation, and did improve their very risky systems, only after a "2o/20" expos4 of preventable, negligent deaths on the operating table...
...Let's be generous and say it took us a minute...
...Did you ever have breakfast or any meal, for that matter, with Monica Lewinsky at the Park Hyatt Hotel...
...And at the end of that, I asked him if he had had sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky...
...It's a way, a routine, a practice of doing things which either minimizes or maximizes the chances of their being done right and the essence of which is impersonality-a risky system like the one in which Medication X and Medication Y are stocked in identically shaped, identically colored bottles has no human face, no first and last name, and neither does a less risky one in which these medications are cunningly stocked in bottles more difficult to mix up...
...Now if you in fact met with Monica Lewinsky on November 5th and then went and saw the president that same day," Bienert continued, "do you believe that it would have been at that time that you would have made reference to the president that you had met with Monica Lewinsky and were helping her or were going to help her try to get a job...
...it was then that he made his now well-known suggestion that Lewinsky could "always say you were coming to see Betty or that you were bringing me letters...
...Did you ever talk to Nancy Hernreich about Monica Lewinsky...
...And I must have spent ten minutes with him at that time alone...
...And he just kind of went—one of those `Mmmph.' You know —" "A grunt...
...On more than one occasion, Jordan testified that he simply accepted the president's denial of a sexual relationship as the truth, as he had also accepted Lewinsky's denial...
...Did you ever say words to the effect to her, 'We're in business,' or anything like that...
...He kept in close touch with the White House--calling Cheryl Mills eleven times in little more than a day...
...At 5:09 he tried Mills again...
...It was Clinton with news that her name was on the Jones witness list...
...It was Clinton calling back...
...Lewinsky told them she stopped by Carter's office in mid-afternoon to pick up the draft affidavit...
...That was false," prosecutor Michael Emmick said...
...Bienert asked...
...ecollection of an early November eeeting with Monka Le insky," Jordan Ms...
...Why would you be calling Nancy Hernreich four times in one day...
...But times change...
...Not that it would have made me think otherwise...
...He was away most of the 9th and loth on other business, and on Thursday the nth, he was scheduled to fly to Amsterdam on a flight leaving Dulles Airport in the late afternoon...
...At that moment Jordan was miles away, in Manassas, Virginia, at the luxurious Robert Trent Jones Golf Club...
...I don't know what phone sex is.'" "Did you explain to him what phone sex was at some point...
...The American Spectator • February 1999 the White House, that she wanted to go to New York, and he thanked me for helping her...
...I will also say to you that my relationship with Frank Carter is such that our conversations are not necessarily restrict February 1 999 • The American Spectator ed to—or were not necessarily restricted to the matter of Monica Lewinsky...
...I told you what I told him, and that's all I can tell you...
...I have no recollection of that conversation...
...Currie told her to call Jordan, who told Lewinsky that he was working on her job search, but that he was leaving for China on a business trip...
...At about 6:oo that evening, Jordan phoned Bob Bennett, the president's lawyer in the Paula Jones case...
...Improving systems...
...After she signed it...
...I may have said that...
...They have long generated hundreds of thousands of casualties anually in American hospitals large and small, famous and obscure, urban, suburban and rural...
...Lewinsky told me in no uncertain terms that she did not have a sexual relationship with the president," Jordan said...
...But what, Bienert wanted to know, did she actually say...
...Jordan came back from China on Thursday, December 4, but his heavy travel schedule continued...
...Bienert asked...
...And at 8:37...
...That was also the day that Lucille Branton was funeralized in 1 9th Street Baptist Church," Jordan said...
...Carter...
...His first name is Vernon....I won't be hearing from him until later next week...
...Yes...
...It wasn't fine with one of the grand jurors...
...With No Market Risk...
...When...
...And the story is about Monica Lewinsky and myself,'" Jordan quoted the president...
...And I said that she was my friend, that I didn't really trust her — I used to trust her, but I didn't trust her any more and I was a little bit concerned because she had spent the night at my home a few times and I thought— I told Mr...
...ball rivalry between DePauw University, where Jordan went to school, and Wabash College, Kendall's alma mater...
...I don't think so...
...Now, why were you trying to get ahold ofMonica Lewinsky...
...And he testifiedhe could not even remember the first time he met Lewinskyor why he went to see Clinton shortly after the meeting...
...The Erskine Bowles situation, the legal defense fund...
...She had lied to Clinton, assuring him that she had not told anyone about the hat pin...
...Neither side called alay witnesses who played direct roles in the Lewinsky matter, so there was no chance Jordan would bequestioned about his story...
...Bienert showed Jordan White House entry logs indicating that he visited the White House on the day Lewinsky said he had...
...How did he react when you tried to convey to him that this may not be everything...
...Currie or anyone at the White House about helping Monica Lewinsky...
...So if I had mentioned that I had been in there alone, it would kind of make them think, oh, well, what happened and did he proposition, or blah, blah, blah...
...Two days later, on Friday, December 19, the subpoena arrived when a process server showed up at Lewinsky's Pentagon office...
...She called Clinton at 8:43...
...Jordan said he did show Carter a copy of the Drudge Report, but after that "our conversation became a general discussion between two buddies who had not seen each other for a long time, a little bit about family...
...Was there any reference at all about Monica Lewinsky during that call...
...He spoke with passion, an anesthesiologist himself, even though it was his specialty that first went in for patient safety in the 198o's by designing fail-safe equipment with lights and buzzers...
...Tin stunned by this, right...
...Then, at 4:57, with Lewinsky in the office, Jordan's phone rang...
...I cannot remember...
...I have no recollection of it...
...I am fairly certain that one of the things that we talked about was Lucille Branton's ftmeral....[The president] was a great admirer of Wiley's and knew Lucille...
...We just—you know, we didn't have sex or did everything but sex,' or something like that...
...Lewinsky any drafts of the affidavit...
...And he said to me, 'Have you seen the Drudge Report?' I had never heard of the Drudge Report...
...And when it's all over, Vernon Jordan will be in the dear-and free to enjoy his reputation as a man ofthe high' est integrity...
...Not at all...
...Fully Secured and • I.R.A...
...Lewinsky knew that somebody—most likely Linda Tripp—had told the Jones lawyers about the pin...
...So when he asked me those questions, I thought he was asking me, saying essentially, 'What are you going to say?' not necessarily asking me directly what—you know, `What are the answers to these questions?' More 'What are you going to reply in regard to the case...
...Lewinsky's lawyer," Jordan said...
...It was Currie, saying the president wanted to see Monica...
...Carter to find Ms...
...During Jordan's first grand jury appearance, when Bienert asked whether Jordan had spoken to Kendall during November and December, Jordan answered that the only subject the two men discussed was the foot rosecutors asked if win sky gave Jordan any hint she was close to Clinton...
...And I was on the uth hole with Joe Garagiola and somebody else and this very nervous man comes and says, 'Mr...
...In addition, Linda Tripp, with whom Lewinsky was having long, nightly conversations, strongly believed that Jordan knew...
...Three-fourths of all doctors belonged to it then, down to one-third now, mainly on the wrong side of 50, and the membership and demographic figures get around...
...No...
...By then, halfa dozen of the association's executives who'd made the deal had been purged, and Dr...
...Jordan said, 'Well, what's phone sex?' And so I said, 'Well you know what phone sex is.' And he said, 'No, I don't...
...Oh no," Jordan answered...
...On January 8, she had an interview with MacAndrews & Forbes...
...I know how very busy and demanding your schedule is...
...So as you sit here now, you think that a very good possibility for the topic you would have contacted Ms...
...They finally spoke a little before two...
...Prosecutor Tom Bienert produced White House telephone records showing that at 10:57 — just three minutes after Lewinsky left the White House—Jordan phoned the president from the club...
...He's a very busy guy...
...Do you remember who paid...
...And the conversation was that he knew about her situation, which was that she was pushed out of Are you like most people...
...Why would you have been calling Ms...
...At ino5 he called Nancy Hernreich again...
...One should never be too mistrustful...
...Period...
...Carter had inserted some information about me having possibly been alone with the president for a few minutes, bringing him a letter in Legislative Affairs...
...She came to my office," he testified...
...On the 5th, he flew to Dallas for the day, returning by private plane to escort his wife to the white-tie Symphony Ball held at the National Building Museum in Washington...
...Lewinsky called Jordan back a couple of times...
...And at 8:41...
...Did the president say anything to you in that conversation to make you think that he had any kind of relationship on a personal level with Ms...
...Carter's office...
...A tone of sarcasm crept into Bienert's questioning...
...Yet one-on-one candor wasn't unknown...
...Jordan, there's a former WhiteHouse intern, her name is Monica Lewinsky and she would likeand Iam requesting your help in finding her a job in New York,"' Jordan told the grand jury...
...At lo:33, he paged Lewinsky...
...And Mr...
...No...
...Does the fact that those two calls are right by each other," Bienert asked, "does it make you think you might have been speaking to either of them about anything related to the president...
...I met with the big creep's best friend this morning...
...He'd do it again...
...You heard it as often as "error" in the many lectures, panels, and break-out groups ofAnnenberg II...
...A few minutes later, Jordan called Carter and spoke for about six minutes...
...Jordan testified that he called Betty Currie to tell her Lewinsky had signed the affidavit...
...I \W...
...No answer from Lewinsky...
...For the lastgeneration, American medicine has continuously been acquiring wonderful new ways to detect, prevent, treat, and cure disease...
...Some of the toughest facts, he said, came from the testimony of the president's closest associates-like Vernon Jordan...
...And he didn't really respond to me...
...I thought that meant that—to go home and search around and if there are any copies of notes or anything that I sent or drafts, to throw them away...
...I talk to the President of the United States all the time, and so it's not striking to me...
...In fact, I was trying to corroborate the fact he's been telling the truth that is, I think, damaging to the president...
...As of the nth," Jordan answered, "two things were clear to me, that she really liked her experience as an intern in the White House...
...Sol Wisenberg asked...
...How is Chelsea...
...And more than one AMA person told me one-on-one with the same frankness that their National Patient Safety Foundation, progenitor of Annenberg I, Annenberg II, and Annenbergs to come, would never have been thought of but for the Lehman horror story and an eruption of others...
...Lewinsky at your office before you went down and got in the car...
...Jordan then went to his office and began a day-long frenzy of phone calls...
...Nor was the issue explored during the short, strange hearings of the House Judiciary Committee...
...a young woman, sort of coming to see him, the president's mentioned me...
...Tom Bienert pointed out that Jordan had alre.ady gotten Lewinsky a job and a lawyer, the two reasons he said he was involved in her case...
...Phone records showed that Jordan called the White House from his car phone at 12:31 p.m., immediately before joining Carter in the restaurant...
...don't think so," Jour answered...
...Jordan first called the White House a little before noon...
...There would have been two calls to Frank Carter in between the last time you spoke to the president that day, correct...
...I told Mr...
...They knew that Carter wrote a draft the next morning, January 6. And they knew that after he finished writing, at about inoo, Carter paged Lewinsky, asking her to call him at his office...
...I called on the morning of the 22nd to see if I could come to see Mr...
...She said, 'Mr...
...If I remember correctly," Lewinsky answered, "I believe that he said—or maybe I said something like—you know, 'He's taking care of business on one end and I'm taking care of business on another.— BREA KVA ST ? WHAT REA.K FAST ? Jordan testified that he had little contact with Lewinsky in the last days of December...
...Did he make any statements at all about the report other than 'Here it is?'" "I think that's about it," Jordan said...
...I said to the pres ident, 'Monica Lewinsky called me up...
...I mean, that was clear...
...I don't know it to be accurate based on what I remember and based on my calendar," Jordan said...
...He did not...
...At 11:o4, he called Bruce Lindsey...
...When prosecutors pressed for details of the meeting, Jordan had none to add...
...He told me it broke his heart," Lewinsky recalled...
...Let me ask you my question again," Bienert said...
...One was acquitted, two pleaded guilty to criminal negligence, none went to jail, but the case shook the nursing, doctoring, and hospital-administrating worlds and made him extremely unpopular...
...nsky...
...The California, New York, Utah, and Colorado studies into Adverse Negligent Events were only commissioned as reactions to what the AMA and the state medical societies deemed an epidemic of frivolous malpractice suits...
...At one point in the conversation, Jordan testified, Lewinsky "asked me if I thought that the president would leave the first lady at the end of his term, and that, as I remember it, was a very both frightening and, from my point of view, unrealistic question about the president, so I just said that's a really crazy notion on your part, that that would happen, and that I was confident that they would be together 'til death do them part...
...So you never discussed with Mr...
...Jordan earlier," Lewinsky told the grand jury...
...She sent a courier-delivered letter to Clinton outlining her plans and demanding to speak to him face-to-face...
...Armed with what Lewinsky told them in August, they might have called Jordan back to the grand jury to confront him with her hard-to-refute details of events...
...She got there a little before five...
...Secondly, I have no recollection of what my conversation on November 5th was when I was in the West Wing visiting with the president...
...Miquel died, he said, because standards were grossly deviated from by certain people...
...Jordan said, 'Notes from the president to you?' And I said, 'No, notes from me to the president.' And he said, 'Go home and make sure they're not there.'" "What did you understand him to mean...
...Beyond that, Jordan said he could not recall dozens of conversations with the president during critical moments in the Lewinsky affair...
...Getting the wrong dose of medication, getting someone else's medication, being anesthetized by someone who's asleep himself, getting the wrong limb operated on if not removed, being the victim of misdiagnosis or the bungled use of new-fangled or tried-and-true machinery--all such events can leave you hurt or dead...
...I'm a little nervous to do the whole name of the BF," Lewinsky wrote back...
...I meant sexual intercourse...
...What did he say...
...This being America, however, studies there were...
...By the time Jordan next appeared before the grand jury, two months later, prosecutors discovered evidence that the I-toldhim-at-the-White-House story was not entirely accurate...
...Jordan went to where the party was," he told the grand jury, "I went upstairs to the private quarters...
...the inclusion of the hat pin was just too specific...
...The affidavit said: The occasions that I saw the president, with crowds of other people, after I left my employment at the White House in April, 1996 related to official receptions, formal functions...
...By the next morning, Sunday the 18th, the White House was rapidly losing control of the situation...
...There's also such a thing as personal responsibility, and when it's set at naught as it was here, a DA's responsibility is to prosecute...
...He hadlunch with top Clinton aide Bruce Lindsey on the day the Lewinsky story broke on the Internet— and claimed they discussedtheir children and the weather...
...Tom Bienert asked...
...So I took that as my cue to drop the subject...
...Is that fair...
...So there was no basis for me to have any involvement...
...But though excessive mistrust isn't healthy, the depressing fact is that in the last quarter-century, the AMA, like most of the profession it once had a better claim to represent, has logged a mediocre record on quality and safety, and like the profession has only bestirred itself when plaintifflawyers and muckraking, liberal reporters forced it to...
...He told Jordan he had just gotten a call from a Los Angeles lawyer named William Ginsburg...
...On Saturday morning, Lewinsky's phone rang again...
...She came in my office, I put on my hat and my coat and we left," Jordan answered...
...He told her she might be able to sign an affidavit to avoid testifying...
...There's no basis for me to do that...
...Lewinsky didn't respond—and at that point, Carter and Jordan began working the phones in a search for Monica...
...For example, Jordan denied any involvement in preparing theaffidavit in which Lewinsky swore she did not have a sexual relationship with the president—even though Lewinsky remembered editing specific portions of the affidavit after discussingthem with him...
...I said to her, 'He's the leader of the free world, he has Iraq, he has IMF, he has Southeast Asia, he has the Middle East,'" Jordan testified...
...Still, Jordan conceded that Lewinsky's situation seemed slightly more complicated than simple infatuation from afar...
...Did they stand on top of the table...
...I had an egg-white omelet," Lewinsky answered...
...What then is the news...
...Jordan told the grand jury...
...I went upstairs...
...And Mr...
...Lindsey...
...No," Jordan said...
...21% Fixed Returns on an 18-month program...
...I just told him I thought that the Paula Jones case ought to be settled...
...Lewinsky by you, it wasn't a big issue at all," prosecutor Sol Wisenberg said...
...Did they kiss...
...He set u 1) a lunch with Bruce Lindsey, the president's closest adviser and a key player in aI1 aspects of the Lewinsky/Jones matters...
...Monk testified...
...Jordan explained that "East Lake" referred to a country club in Atlanta that was the home course of golf legend Bobby Jones...
...Bienert asked...
...Carter what was going to be included in the affidavit...
...Yes...
...She is coming to see me about this subpoena...
...I don't think so...
...Did you have any discussion, substantive discussions, with her about anything in relation to the subpoena...
...At 5:00, he tried Lindsey's number and then thenumber of White House Counsel Charles Ruff...
...I mean, nothing- it was no great moment...
...But did he...
...I may have had a conversation with him about my continued belief that the Paula Jones case ought to be settled...
...Jordan say that he didn't want to speak to you about the affidavit...
...He told Lewinsky to call him when he got back in the first week of December...
...She remained in a state of continuous February 1999 • The American Spectator anxiety about her job search and the Jones case, but Jordan tried to calm her down by telling her that the job might take a little time and that she was in good legal hands with Frank Carter...
...He said, you know, 'There's a story out...
...Had they done so, they--or at least MeCollum--might not have been so quick to proclaim Jordan's truthfulness...
...Monica went on to complain about not seeing Clinton enough...
...But was Jordan trying to get any information from the president...
...Why, Starr's prosecutors wanted to know, did Lewinsky get that precious office time...
...She and Jordan discussed the two problem passages...
...just a few months before, Clinton had feared Lewinsky might take some sort of revenge against him and told her sternly, "It's illegal to threaten the President of the United States...
...Jordan insisted he was not "con40 February I999 " The American Spectator cerned" about the development...
...He told me that he had prepared a motion to quash the Lewinsky subpoena in the Paula Jones case and that that was all done and he was looking forward to that, and I said, 'Sounds good to me,'" Jordan said...
...It was also clear that she, like most interns, liked the fact that the internship put you in the vicinity of the president...
...What you're saying is you don't believe that that's accurate...
...Now, sir," Bienert began, "based upon these documents, do you believe that you might have met with Monica Lewinsky on November 5th...
...My job was to find her a lawyer...
...I think you testified to us a few days ago that your intention was not to have any involvement in her legal proceedings [after December 22]," he asked...
...I said hello to Frank, introduced Monica Lewinsky to Frank Carter and shook his hand and left...
...But this only estranges people who aren't blameworthy and further complicates the system, guaranteeing more, not fewer errors at the sharp end...
...Lacking any conclusive proof, prosecutors had to give Jordan the benefit of the doubt about the golf course calls...
...So why would he need to speak to her...
...They drove together to an 11:oo appointment with Frank Carter, the attorney Jordan had selected to represent Monica...
...Many variations were played on the systems theme at Annenberg II...
...Jordan said something to me, 'Well, you're a friend of the President of the United States.'" "And I remarked that I didn't—I didn't really look at him as the president, that I saw him more as a man and reacted to him more as a man and got angry at him like a man and just a regular person...
...But I cannot for the life of me tell you what that was about, and that is just the truth...
...What about the call to Carter...
...On Saturday the 6th, he boarded a shuttle flight to New York for a dinner at the Museum of Modern Art...
...The next day, January 7, Lewinsky stopped by Carter's office in the morning to sign the affidavit...
...Normally today, he said, when errors happen and get superficially investigated, the upshot is merely that someone is blamed and new mles may be introduced...
...I cannot preclude it, but I doubt it...
...Or anything related to the president...
...She's gotten a subpoena...
...She works with Bruce Lindsey, she's close to Bruce Lindsey...
...Jordan said he had no idea what his ten-minute conversation with Clinton was about...
...Do you believe that you might have discussed in any way anything related to Monica Lewinsky in —" "It's — it's—it's possible that we discussed Monica Lewinsky," Jordan answered, "but there is no connection between my conversations with Frank Carter and my subsequent conversation with the President of the United States...
...The details of the case, they contend, are already well known and do not need further scrutiny...
...The reason I have the recollection," Jordan answered, "is that when I'm playing golf and I'm disturbed, I remember that...
...In any event, Clinton was taken aback...
...Bienert asked...
...During that call did President Clinton indicate to you that he had met with Monica Lewinsky [on the 28th...
...So President Clinton indicated that he was familiar with her and her situation at the White House...
...As they ate turkey sandwiches in his office, Jordan said he "sensed some anxiety on her part to get a job and to get it quickly...
...Was his call to Clinton just a coincidence...
...he asked during one of Jordan's first times before the grand jury...
...That's fine," prosecutor Michael Emmick said...
...In your office...
...At lO:53, he called Frank Carter...
...Whether I used the words, `We're in business,' I don't know...
...In the car, I asked Mr...
...Did you ever indicate to her that she comes highly recom mended...
...He told her the document was a "vanilla" subpoena, meaning that it was just a general request for evidence...
...I do not," Jordan answered...
...n prosecutors Tom Bienert asked Jordan about that during his first grand jury appearance...
...The .~ bad news is that if you re a conservative, neoconserd ~vative, or libertarian, the odds are exactly the same...
...I told him what she said to me about whether or not he was going to leave the first lady at the end of the term...
...The answer to that is no...
...She did indeed have an egg-white omelet...
...Even though he apparently didn't grasp the significance of the hat pin, Jordan told the grand jury he knew Lewinsky needed a lawyer, and he told her he would find her one...
...I'm concerned about it...
...Qualified Maturity dates may vary...
...Prosecutors wanted to know what Jordan understood a "sexual relationship" to be...
...specifically, she left out the hat pin...
...I shared with him my views on settlement...
...And he paid the bill...
...I was not Ms...
...Bienert produced records showing that on the 1 9th, Jordan was on the phone looking for Clinton before Lewinsky even had time to come to his office...
...I have a corner table there and I have breakfast there all the time...
...Lindsey and mainly his job status at the White House, correct...
...What did you discuss...
...Secret Service records show that Monica left the White House at 10:54 a.m...
...Jordan said they were discussing the issue of whether White House Chief of Staff Erskine Bowles might be persuaded to stay in his job...
...And I think the affidavit was signed at the time...
...Correct," Lewinsky said...
...Jordan said he couldn't remember anything else about the conversation...
...No need to...
...The next day, Jordan was off to New York on a business trip...
...Bienert has asked you about, just the way they line up— it's striking, isn't it...
...So she called Jordan at his office on the morning of Tuesday, December 30...
...This was a personal meeting, a face-to-face meeting...
...I'rn certain I told him that there was going to be a motion to quash filed by her lawyer...
...At 4:53, he called Carter's home and didn't get him...
...Meals were taken in a big tent pitched next door...
...the rush to finish the independent counsel's report was simply too great to retrace steps...
...S.E.P...
...He said that he was aware that people were trying to get jobs for her, that Podesta [John Podesta, then deputy White House chief of staff] was trying to help her, that Bill Richardson [then the ambassador to the United Nations] was hying to help her, but that she wanted to really work in the private sector...
...Those meetings are usually held on Saturdays so that directors, some of whom live far from Washington, can gather at the club to play a round of golf as well as take care of business...
...And so we got together for lunch...
...Betty Currie...
...No," Jordan answered...
...But months later, when Lewinsky became a cooperating witness, she told investigators she thought she and Jordan had an implicit understanding of the affair from the very beginning...
...Not at all," he said...
...Jordan resumed his travels on Monday morning, when he flew to Stamford, Connecticut for a board meeting of the Xerox Corporation...
...A little after two in the afternoon, Jordan called Lewinsky at home...
...Carter's competence as a lawyer and little faith and confidence in my competence as a lawyer in this kind of proceeding...
...At 2:15, immediately after Jordan left the lunch, he called the president on his car phone...
...After being confronted with the phone records, Jordan testi fied that he now remembered the conversation...
...He was aware of that...
...And a careful examination of that testimony— 889 pages of transcripts plus hundreds of pages of supporting documents—raisesserious questions about Jordan's story...
...The exact time, I don't remember, but I did see it...
...I did not...
...Of the Paula Jones case...
...I told her I would help her," Jordan said, beginning to testi fy as if he remembered the meeting...
...Well, ask the question again," Jordan said...
...hat did Jordan and Clinton discuss after the Jones deposition...
...No luck...
...I do not...
...Jordan the fact that it wasn't everything...
...Jordan is a man of great integrity...
...as he had for several years, he had the Clintons to his house for dinner on Christmas Eve...
...He called top presidential aide Nancy Hernreich—one of the "meanies" whom Lewinsky blamed for driving her out of the White House —at 8:56 and was on the line for six minutes...
...I think that the general concern was that Mr...
...Incredible...
...It seemed like he had to know...
...It made me happy to know that our friend has such a wonderful confidant in you...
...What I do recall is that I dealt with it when I had time to do it...
...Jordan...
...He's a gentleman...
...Anyway, historians will probably say the AMA began losing it in the mid6o's, when it declared, fought, and lost its war on Medicare...
...Dr...
...PHONE TAG FRENZY At about the same time Jordan was talking to Mills, the president, alarmed by the questioning in the Jones deposition, began an intensive search for Monica Lewinsky...
...You just demand to see me.' And that's when I started yelling...
...Any number of things that were on his mind...
...But I was not making a ~ip to the White House to talk about Monica Lewinsky...
...She's upset...
...At lo:35, he called Nancy Hernreich...
...Did [Jordan] agree with the suggestions or thoughts that you had on those two passages...
...Not to my recollection...
...prosecutors "No," Jordan said...
...Did they kiss...
...That's the residence...
...Bienert wanted to know why Jordan spoke with Clinton a second time, after talking to Carter again...
...He then phoned Lewinsky at home again...
...My office...
...The gospel preached at Rancho Mirage holds that virtually all the errors hurting and killing patients day and night from coast to coast are due to such mix-ups, to a flawed system that caused them to happen rather than to anyone's laziness, incompetence, recklessness, inexperience, senility, or negligence...
...That definition, of course, was precisely the one the president would use to deny allegations of an affair with Lewinsky...
...Lewinsky in person as to whether or not she even knew President Clinton...
...Mills...
...My view of it was sexual intercourse;' he said...
...And he showed me the Drudge Report, which was about the conversations that Monica Lewinsky had had with Linda Tripp, which came to me as a total surprise...
...The reason for Bienert's questions was not clear until several months later, after Lewinsky began cooperating with Starr...
...I'm, you know, a young woman, sort of coming to see him, the president's mentioned me," Lewinsky testified...
...I felt that, he being the president's best friend," Lewinsky said, "and having a —a clearer understanding of my relationship with the president than Mr...
...Regis Hotel by a reporter seeking comment...
...Mr...
...The conversation bounced from topic to topic...
...Why were you trying to get ahold of Monica Lewinsky that day...
...I feel compelled to mention how overcome I was by your genuineness...
...y not Betty Currie...
...We're talking of an Adverse Negligent Event, a medical screw-up that could have been prevented...
...At 5:05 he tried Lindsey two more times...
...In a way, it's not even news...
...I cannot recall when she actually showed me the signed affidavit, but she told me—she showed me the signed affidavit...
...I think he —his judgment was consistent with mine that that was —the signing of the affidavit was consistent with the truth...
...Prosecutors started with Jordan's first call to Lewinsky's home...
...Furthermore, no study has yet entered the unexplored territory of outpatient clinics and doctors' private offices...
...He did not...
...Sounds good...
...Monica Lewinsky signed the affidavit," Jordan responded...
...The answer to that is no...
...Jordan responded...
...It had nothing to do with Monica Lewinsky...
...But first, she wanted Jordan to take a look at it...
...Jordan, I said, well, maybe she's heard some—you know—I mean, maybe she saw some notes lying around...
...I think Mr...
...II During the December 11 meeting, Jordan gave Lewinsky the names of people at a number companies where he had high-level connections...
...On the first, they decided to remove any reference to Lewinsky ever having been alone with the president...
...But not with her...
...Admittedly, the N-word is rarely used...
...Anything beyond that...
...44 February I999 " The American Spectator...
...First in California in the 197o's, then in NewYork in the 8o's, now in Colorado and Utah, teams of experts have been subsidized with tax and foundation money to pore over records and discover how often ANEs happened in each state...
...For those of us who didn't go to taw school or didn't do well in law school or didn't take Latin as kids," he asked Jordan, "can you enlighten us as to res ipsa loquitur...
...Now, with the matter in the hands ofthe Senate, it appears that many influential lawmakers, anxious for a quick resolution of the impeachment issue, believe it is not necessary to question key players like Jordan...
...just don't think I did...
...I feel," said Robert Grant, "like the anti-Christ at a revival meeting...
...A few minutes after that, Jordan called Carter again...
...It was a gorgeous day," Jordan answered...
...Bienert asked...
...Do you have any recollection of ever speaking to the president from the Robert Trent Jones golf course or club house...
...You should know that from your experience in the White House.' I mean, I was— it was somehow stunning to me that she was complaining that she did not hear from the president....I mean this was—this was stunning, to say the least...
...No need to...
...Did you at any time have any kind of a meal at the Park Hyatt with Monica Lewinsky...
...The two men talked for nine minutes...
...I was also on my car phone, so it would not have been a serious conversation about it...
...That afternoon, a Friday, the Paula Jones legal team faxed a list of potential witnesses to Clinton attorney Bob Bennett...
...I apologize to the grand jury...
...Another half hour later, Jordan talked to Clinton again...
...Family talk...
...I do follow-through, update, see how people are, see if she was happy," Jordan answered...
...It was a brief conversation, a little less than a minute...
...Was a hat pin among the things you showed to Vernon Jordan...
...The phone rang unexpectedly at about maybe 2:00 or 2:30," Lewinsky told the grand jury...
...Lewinsky testified that she actually brought the gifts that she intended to turn over in response to the subpoena to Jordan's office that morning...
...It appears that any activity in November was very limited on behalf of Ms...
...What a day...
...Jordan suggested they meet the next morning for breakfast at the Park Hyatt...
...I know he saw the big creep yesterday afternoon...
...Later that day, Jordan called Curie, and a few minutes later Currie paged Lewinsky with the message, "Please call Vernon Jordan...
...That was it—according to Jordan...
...I am certain after the nth that I had a conversation with the president," Jordan testified...
...fyou're a liberal going into the hospital for whatever, your risk of being injured, maimed or killed due to some ANE is quite high...
...For example, said Dr...
...Twenty minutes later, the president called Jordan and the two men spoke for thirteen minutes...
...I do not deny it, on the other hand...
...Lewinsky a job...
...Robert Bittinan asked during Jordan's first grand jury appearance...
...At 4:09, Jordan called Currie again, and at 4: 38 he called her yet again...
...I have no recollection of having had a conversation with the president," Jordan repeated...
...it was only after the House of Representatives released it last September that the public got achance to learn what he actually said inside the grand jury room...
...I—I—I don't— I don't recollect," Jordan answered...
...No, no," Lewinsky answered...
...Just as importantly, Lewinsky made her clearest statement yet on her relationship with Clinton...
...Bienert produced an e-mail Lewinsky had written to her friend Catherine Allday Davis, dated November 6, 1997...
...We talked a little bit about the State of the union," he said...
...was about...
...It had nothing to do with Monica Lewinsky...
...And, taken as a whole, it leaves the reader with good reason to suspect that Jordan, the widely-respected lawyer, memberof blue-chip corporate boards, and Washington wise man, liedto protect both himself and his good friend, Bill Clinton...
...Jordan said his call to Clinton was for the same purpose, to tell him the news...
...At lO:34, he paged her again...
...Who is Drudge...
...He said he didn't know what his call to the White House at lo:29 was about, or why he paged Lewinsky immediately afterwards...
...Prosecutors asked few questions about this time period, but Bienert had one query that seemed to come out of nowhere...
...A revolutionary new approach is needed to break the cycle...
...In the tense days of January 1998 when the president gavehis deposition in the Paula Jones case, Jordan made a long seriesof telephone calls to the White House and to Lewinsky—andswore he could not remember why he made any of them...
...I will answer the grand jury's questions directly, completely, and truthfully...
...Arid I thought quite honestly that I was listening to a bobby-soxer who was mesmerized by Frank Sinatra, who was quite taken with this man because of his position, February 1999 • The American Spectator because of who he was, because he was tall and he was handsome and because he was president...
...Jordan took some time off for Christmas...
...The favorite, the buzzword, is "error," as in the motto of a recent three-day get-together in Rancho Mirage, California, organized by the American Association for the Advancement of Science, the Veterans Administration, the Joint Commission on Accreditation of Healthcare Organizations, and mainly by the American Medical Association's National Patient Safety Foundation: "Enhancing Patient Safety and Reducing Errors in Health Care...
...I don't recollect any specific conversation...
...I don't know," Jordan said...
...I can't say what it was about...
...FLU i'kt L Jordan was traveling during the last three weeks of November...
...Sexual relationship...
...I don't know why I was calling Monica Lewinsky that day...
...David Gaba of Stanford, if anesthesiologists, ER interns and others are dead on their feet, and if this gives rise to errors, it's not their fault but that of hospital and departmental systems that drive them with impossible, combat-like work loads...
...You weren't playing golf in Georgia on the 5th, were you...
...The evidence suggested that the immediate chain of events that led to Jordan's involvement began in early October 199 7 . It was an intensely emotional time for Lewinsky...
...Mills about would have been Mr...
...Just-" "But I like the word," Jordan said...
...Jordan called the White House at 8:44 a.m...
...Yes, I believe so...
...Of the Paula Jones case...
...The subject came up again, almost by accident, during another grand jury session two months later...
...I don't specifically recollect" what that call was about, Jordan told the grand jury...
...Yes," Jordan answered...
...It had nothing to do with the Paula Jones case...
...Bienert asked...
...Jordan also testified he could not remember aBYRON YORK is an investigative reporter with TAS...
...Currie's brother had been killed in an accident days earlier, so Monica phoned Jordan instead...
...But they had another problem with Jordan's assertion that he first heard about Lewinsky from Betty Currie in early December...
...Did you ever indicate to her that you had spoken to President Clinton about her...
...I burst into tears," Lewinsky told the grand jury...
...they asked again...
...The way to enhance patient safety and reduce errors is "to redesign our systems to make errors difficult to commit and create a culture in which the existence of risk is acknowledged and injury prevention recognized as everyone's responsibility...
...For example, given the publication of the Clinton/Lewinsky news, was Jordan at all curious about whether the two had in fact had an affair, even though they denied it to him earlier...
...I think she showed it to me," Jordan said...
...Never have there been so many doctors in the U.S., never have they possessed such miraculous tools of diagnosis and therapy, but you'd have to go back several generations to finda time when they had so little clout or self-respect...
...I answered allof their questions truthfully and completely, to thebest of my ability," Jordan said after his first day of testimony last March...
...prosecutors asked...
...At 5:55, Jordan called Betty Currie at home...
...That morning, Jordan had a few hours at his office — a small window of time that he devoted to Monica Lewinsky...
...How did it come about that she was in your office, meeting with you and showed you the affidavit...
...The American Spectator -February z999 39 When prosecutors questioned Jordan about the morning calls, they found that he remembered almost nothing about them, even though the day in question was just six weeks before he appeared before the grand jury...
...And I said, 'Take it easy,' you know, 'We'll get through it.'" Jordan.returned to Washington in the afternoon...
...Who's the BF...
...he hostility of the question period gave an inkling of the context, the unseen history, the second story as it were behind the Annenberg Conferences, the National Patient Safety Foundation, and this hole discussion of"errors...
...Can't rule it out, but—" The American Spectator • February 1999 "I don't rule it out, but I don't think so...
...Bringing us to the AMA...
...It may be striking to those of you who have other purposes in mind...
...I'm confident that she needs a lawyer, and I will try to get her a lawyer...
...he asked...
...Jordan offered no other details of the lunch, which lasted from about 12:3o to 2:00 at his table at the Park Hyatt...
...Lewinsky's story implicated Jordan in a possibly criminal act of obstruction of justice...
...Beyond that, their conversation in the car seemed to indicate that Jordan, despite his claims otherwise, had to know by that point that Lewinsky and Clinton had been involved in a sexual affair...
...An hour and a half later, Jordan called the White House...
...Carter nor Ms...
...Does the fact that you paged her three times in the course of an hour indicate to you that it was important to you that you get ahold of her quickly...
...I told him that Monica Lewinsky had been subpoenaed, came to me with a subpoena...
...Lewinsky, platonic or otherwise...
...So the answer—I'm assuming you're agreeing that you were not involved in any aspect of preparing it...
...Is this a meeting during which the subject of your possibly being in love cropped up...
...Not at all...
...MIB Financial 1-800-575-1566 A full service, asset growth and protection company We have something with STOCK MARKET RETURNS--without STOCK MARKET RISKS...
...We went down the stairs to my car, we both got in the back seat...
...10111)•Jordan's contention that he first learned about Monica Lewinskyin a phone call from Clinton secretary Betty Currie has longbeen a staple of the Lewinsky story...
...So much for the good news...
...He could also see that the subpoena raised unavoidable questions about Monica's relationship with the president...
...Bienert introduced more records showing that Clinton called Jordan again, about an hour and a half later, when Jordan was still at the club...
...Can you ask her what does that mean...
...A little after seven that night, Jordan, who had returned to his office, called Cheryl Mills in the White House counsel's office...
...Each time heappeared, President Clinton's close friend and confidant walked to the microphones and emphasizedjust one point: that he told the truth to KennethStarr's prosecutors and the grand jury...
...I told you where the East Lake Golf Club was and I told you that my calendar said hold...
...he said...
...He told her to come to his office that afternoon...
...Did they dance...
...Bienert asked...
...What he said in his testimony, we did not discuss...
...I was a little concerned...
...I may have been calling to thank her for the tie...
...While some people wear their heart on their sleeve...
...Bienert asked...
...you appear to wear your soul...
...At the very least, Lewinsky's words indicated she was overcome by anger and frustration and thus a political risk to the president...
...The thing that alarmed me was that it asked for a hat pin," Lewinsky told the grand jury...
...Period...
...At lO:44, he called Erskine Bowles...
...Jordan asked Lewinsky to step outside while he took the call, which lasted seven minutes...
...He said, with regard to my job search, "We're in business...
...Ihy did .Jordan page Le~vinsky three times in an hour...
...I think I might have...
...On the day in question, he testified, his personal calendar listed an event at East Lake...
...And then all of a sudden, things start to pick up after— starting about December 8th and then into December nth, and it just happens to be a couple of days after she's on that witness list on December 5." Wisenberg wanted to know: "Do you recall kind of a heightened sense of urgency by Ms...
...Ten minutes later, he called Carter one more time...
...At lO:58, he called the White House...
...He knew that I had gotten her a job, he knew that I had gotten her a lawyer...
...I have no recollection of having met with Monica Lewinsky on November 5th," Jordan said...
...How was it, Bienert wanted to know, that Jordan's memory was so clear...
...Clinton] thanked me again for my role with Erskine...
...I have no recollection of an early November meeting with Ms...
...I think I may have given him a status report on it," Jordan answered...
...And how would he have conveyed that to you...
...Do you believe," Bienert asked, "that you could have met with Monica Lewinsky on November 5th here in Washington, D.C...
...Betty Currie paged Lewinsky four times that evening and began again at 7:o2 the next morning, Monday January 19...
...He also said he was "fairly certain" that he also told Clinton...
...26 February 199 9• The American Spectator "Is it at all possible," Bienert asked, that "the president made some reference, whether by name or not, to your assisting in helping someone get a job in New York...
...I think he—it's hard...
...Though the AMA is still among the big players, it doesn't automatieally get what it hankers for or stop what it loathes...
...I mentioned that I had been concerned about the hat pin being on the subpoena," Lewinsky testified, "and he said that that had sort of concerned him also and asked me if I had told anyone that he had given me this hat pin and I said no...
...Rancho Mirage enjoys probably the world's highest density i of golf courses, and it was at the Annenberg Center there-EDWARD GROSSMAN is writing a book on medical malpractice...
...Jordan was awakened in his room at the St...
...I'm calling you...
...And I think a lot about what he's going to do when this administration is over...
...I loved being in the White House,"' Jordan quoted Lewinsky...
...Right...
...And I said, `I'm happy to be helpful.'" 24 February 1999• The American Spectator *orriedNivinsky Jordan testified that he first met Lewinsky face-to-face a few days later, on December 11...
...On the courthouse steps, Jordan refused to discussthe specifics of his testimony...
...Did you try to convey to Mr...
...Did it have anything to do with the Drudge Report...
...Richard Cook, a bow tie-wearing Chicagoan on the board of the National Patient Safety Foundation...
...In the first days of 1998, Jordan's job search was still underway, but he told the grand jury that his trip to take Lewinsky to meet Frank Carter was the end of his involvement in the legal aspects of the Lewinsky matter...
...I do not recollect it, nor do I recollect the content of the conversation...
...So your expectation was," Bienert asked, "you'd have nothing to do with at least the legal end of—" "There was no basis for me to have an expectation that I would do anything on the legal end," Jordan answered...
...We talked about our kids, which is always a great topic of conversation...
...A restaurant receipt, signed by Jordan and charged to his American Express card, supported Lewinsky's account...
...Lewinsky any aspect of President Clinton," Bienert asked, "whether she knew him, whether she had met him, whether she worked closely with him, whether they had discussions, anything along those lines...
...February 1999 • The American Spectator Over the years, the course deteriorated along with the neighborhood around it, and Jordan took part in the successful effort to restore it...
...Just this -that the medical profession and the so-called healthcare industry have started discussing ANEs in public...
...Yes, I did...
...Jordan testified the calls to Currie wereto tell her the news of Lewinsky's change in lawyers...
...No," Jordan answered...
...Wisenberg jumped in...
...He told her to write them —he gave her the precise wording to use in her letters—and asked Lewinsky to send him copies of the correspondence...
...Jordan was discussing the times when Clinton had sought him out to discuss urgent issues—and used as an example an incident that occurred on a golf course several years ago...
...Jordan was already on the phone—to Clinton...
...early in his testimony, he said that whenever he dialed Hemreich's number, he was usually looking for Clinton...
...Not that I am aware of," Craig answered...
...Xi ti, OF lit SINESS One of the recurring themes of the Jordan testimony is the prosecutors' attempt to determine when Jordan had good reason to believe—or at least suspect—that Lewinsky had a special relationship with the president...
...We talked about the weather...
...prosecutors asked...
...She told investigators that during this time she couldn't stop worrying about the Jones subpoena...
...Jordan that he would have no reaction at all," Lewinsky said...
...a somewhat surprised Bienert asked...
...That was our lunch...
...I mean, it just—sort of my worst nightmare, or I meant sex al int4m-course, period," Jordan said of his question to Lewinsky...
...She said, 'I signed the affidavit.— "Where was this meeting...
...But you do have a specific recollection of what it was that he — " "Yes, right," Jordan said...
...Stunned, Lewinsky decided that her relationship with the president was finally over and that she would make him find her a job in New York, where she could begin a new life...
...On more than one occasion, such testimony led to strainedmoments in the courtroom as prosecutors grew openly skepticalof Jordan's version of events...
...I particularly appreciated your taking the time to speak with me...
...A couple of months later, Bienert asked again...
...He said she showed him the af fidavit only after she had signed it...
...In the course of the conversation," she later testified, "I told him that I had had this friend, Linda Tripp, who was sort of involved in the Paula Jones case...
...Okay...
...But Lewinsky felt she couldn't call Currie as the president had directed...
...At three, Carter paged Lewinsky again...
...he testified...
...Some time in January...
...Grant is a Colorado district attorney...
...At 5:2z he tried Lindsey and Mills one more time...
...Why Betty Currie...
...The Dredge Report broke the Lewinsky story on the Interact, and throughout much of the day Jordan was involved in a succession of phone calls concerning the now-public scandal...
...In this list of gifts, everything else seemed to be somewhat generic and then it had the hat pin, which screamed out at me because that was the first gift that the president had given me and it had some significance...
...What was it that President Clinton asked you or wanted to talk to you about...
...he was driving there as he spoke...
...That seemed like a lot of involvement for someone who wasn't involved in the legal aspects of Lewinsky's situation...
...Jordan said the president responded, "No, never...
...But when prosecutors, during Jordan's first grand jury appearance, tried to get a description of that meeting, they didn't get very far...
...The concern, for me at least," Lewinsky told the grand jury, "was not wanting to give the Paula Jones attorneys any thought about why they might need to want to talk to me...
...She called Clinton again at 8:50...
...When he returned to Washington the next day, he went to the White House to see Clinton...
...I have no recollection of what that conversation was about," Jordan told the grand jury...
...At the time of that testimony, prosecutors did not yet have the benefit of Lewinsky's version of events (she would not become a cooperating witness until several months after Jordan testified...
...His listeners, including many nurses, smiled tightly, for in 1996, after three nurses gave one-day-old Miquel the wrong medication and he died, Grant indicted them...
...I like him a lot," Jordan said of Lindsey...
...I have no basis upon which to contradict that," Jordan answered...
...Honestly, I don't remember," Jordan answered...
...The day before Thanksgiving, she called Betty Currie at the White House...
...You were never involved in any aspect of preparing her affidavit, correct...
...1 didn't get into that had thought until that point, was being subpoenaed in this case...
...I k I _ k1...
...Did they hold hands...
...Not long after the meeting, Jordan talked to the president...
...You talked to the president for seven minutes...
...I'm assuming it also goes," Bienert asked, "that you don't recall speaking with Betty Currie about Monica Lewinsky in early November as opposed to in early December...
...When he was yelling at me," Lewinsky told Tripp, "he said, 'I remember you said, Oh, well, if you [Clinton] just want to stop doing this, I'll be no trouble, I'll be no trouble.' And that was what started me, and I said, 'You f—ing tell me when I've been—when I've caused you trouble.' I said, 'You don't know trouble.'" It took no great stretch of the imagination to interpret that as a threat...
...Jordan recalled...
...Jordan lied...
...I've never heard of him...
...Do you believe that you could have met with her...
...And whatever strategies or tactics or plans they had for dealing with her circumstance was between she and Mr...
...Okay," Bienert said...
...My suspicion is we were doing what friends do when friends have a bad day...
...I was playing in the Bryant Gumbel tournament in Tampa, Florida," Jordan testified...
...We talked about the president," Lewinsky told the grand jury...
...Well, I don't have a stop watch," he said, "but I'm going to estimate that what you just told us took perhaps 3 5 seconds...
...I worry about him, and I think about him...
...They knew that on January 5 Lewinsky and Carter discussed the topics that would be covered in the affidavit...
...Jordan specifically denied playing a role in the creation of the affidavit in which Lewinskv swore that she had not had a sexual relationship with the president...
...Though not a union, it always looked out for the interests of doctors, by no means excluding their financial interests, and in its prime the AMA was second to no lobby--not the NRA, not the school teachers, not the AARP, not the friends of Israel, not Tobacco-at throwing the fear of God into politicians...
...Was that it...
...Lewinsky kept talking about the hat pin...
...Lewinsky and Clinton made arrangements for Betty Currie to retrieve a box of gifts that she was not going to turn over to the Jones lawyers...
...Did you talk to her at that meeting about the job situation...
...You do agree, do you not," he said to Jordan, "that this pattern of calls on the 6th that Mr...
...Did you bring everything that could have responded to the subpoena that day...
...Is there anything in the record...
...Lewinsky in the Paula Jones case...
...Acting on his instructions, she destroyed potential evidence in the Jones case...
...Did you have any understanding after speaking with Ms...
...I don't know why I was calling Monica Lewinsky...
...No," Jordan answered...
...There were often times when I was with Mr...
...Obviously she knew President Clinton because she was an intern, so I don't understand your question...
...Why not...
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